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Is it allowed to put political flags on public lamp posts for the entire street?

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HaveANiceevening · 02/11/2023 19:07

I noticed that the Palestine flags were on every single lamp post on the entire street and the next one in my neighbourhood.
This area has a mixed population; some of them are Jewish.

Can the council put the flags up like this? Or is it likely to be individuals?

Thank you.

Is it allowed to put political flags on public lamp posts for the entire street?
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GrumpyPanda · 03/11/2023 09:20

HoogahToogah · 02/11/2023 20:09

You clearly consume just the news spoon fed to you. Israel is and has been the aggressor for decades. In fact, I think Putin and Netanyahu are on good terms. No one is condemning or denying what Hamas did. It was abhorrent. But how can you not see that their very reason for establishment was to show resistance to continued oppression. If Israel "withdrew" from Gaza, then why do they still control what jobs Palestinians can have, where they can go, and their contribution to society?
Have you seen what's happening in the west Bank right now, where there is no Hamas? Israeli settlers are armed with guns and killing Palestinian residents and/or forcing them to leave the area so that they can take their land. Why?

Somebody's clearly only consumed the news spoonfed to them (on TinTok perchance?), missing out that Putin publicly received Hamas leaders, whom nobody else would touch with a bargepole, just a week or so ago.

As to evil Israel controlling "what jobs Palestinians can have", rather disingenuous to omit the only control has been over which Gazans should get permits for work in Israel. A type of control clearly - and sadly - necessary given we now know how many of them contributed to Hamas' detailed info on the location of safe rooms in the private homes of very often peace activist kibbutz residents.

immigrant002 · 03/11/2023 09:21

I love how you all get triggered when people don't follow the narrative actually stand up against injustice

The Palestinian flag is not anti jewish being pro Palestinian liberation is not antisemitic stop with this widespread narrative that any criticism of Israel is inherently antisemitic
Anti zionism is not antisemitic and claiming that it is uses jewish suffering to erase Palestinian experience
This rhetorical tactic actually goes against Jewish values which teach questioning authority and standing with the oppressed not the oppressor

This false choice between jewish safety and Palestinian freedom needs to stop. The oppression of Palestinians need to stop

The right of Palestinians and Jewish people go hand in hand the safety on each people depends on each other's

Raising the Palestinian flag and going to protests is simply objecting to the silence of the allies is seeking a ceasefire is Gaza a solution for the safe return of hostages and the unlawfully detained Palestinian prisoners in Israel is asking for an end to the occupation .

Icefoot · 03/11/2023 09:23

I'm surprised Tower Hamlets has a such a small Jewish population becuase when I worked there in the 1990s, a high proportion of our customers were Jewish. Tower Hamlets Council even has something on it's website about the disappearing Jewish quarter https://www.towerhamlets.gov.uk/lgnl/leisure_and_culture/walking/walks/jewish_heritage_walk.aspx

Having some more recent knowledge of the Bangladeshi population in Tower Hamelts (which most of the Muslims are) this will predominantly be horror at Palentinian children dying and the feeling of helplessness that means there are few options open to them, but they can show support with flags, rather than direct anti-semitism. However, feelings are definitely running high and there is a vocal element that would take a harder line.

Exploring the vanishing Jewish East End

https://www.towerhamlets.gov.uk/lgnl/leisure_and_culture/walking/walks/jewish_heritage_walk.aspx

Rubbishagain · 03/11/2023 09:28

MooFroo · 03/11/2023 00:07

Or done by the many Jews who support an immediate ceasefire in Palestine and understand the history of the occupation…

I think the plight of the innocent Palestinian people is so desperate and people feel so helpless. The majority of people from whichever background don’t want to offend anyone but merely try and help the innocent people caught up in this.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzKwy6Boh5U/?igshid=Y2NkYjk0MDhjYg==
it’s just so sad.

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzKwy6Boh5U/?igshid=Y2NkYjk0MDhjYg==

HoogahToogah · 03/11/2023 09:39

GrumpyPanda · 03/11/2023 09:20

Somebody's clearly only consumed the news spoonfed to them (on TinTok perchance?), missing out that Putin publicly received Hamas leaders, whom nobody else would touch with a bargepole, just a week or so ago.

As to evil Israel controlling "what jobs Palestinians can have", rather disingenuous to omit the only control has been over which Gazans should get permits for work in Israel. A type of control clearly - and sadly - necessary given we now know how many of them contributed to Hamas' detailed info on the location of safe rooms in the private homes of very often peace activist kibbutz residents.

Putin is trying to be seen as the hero that de-escalates tensions. For that to happen, he needs to engage with Hamas. That's how the start of peace talks work.He also has spoken to Netanyahu over the phone to reassure him and offer his support to provide a resolution. But Netanyahu isn't open to that.

I don't have have tiktok but your claim that innocent workers on restricted visas gave away the safe houses locations sounds exactly like that's where you consume your info. Why would Hamas need intel on where safe locations are situated within in houses, they are not underground, they are in the houses. They are designed to withstand air strikes, not an armed assault. Rather than blame innocent Palestinians for that, what do you think of the fact that the IDF took HOURS to get to the Kibbutz and their safe houses.to.protect their civilians?

TheThingIsYeah · 03/11/2023 09:45

Gothambutnotahamster · 02/11/2023 21:29

The flags absolutely should be removed. Can you use the 'Fix my street' website instead? Think then you just give postcode and report the issue with no need for identifying details.

Yeah I was going to recommend reporting via the fixmystreet website too.

Although from experience the council will receive your report on their desk - along with complaints about graffiti, pot-holes and flytipping - and screw it up and throw it into the circular filing cabinet on the floor.

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theunbelievabletruth · 03/11/2023 10:18

For me there is a huge difference between flying a Ukrainian flag in support of Ukraine and flying Palestinian flags or Israeli flags for that matter.

The rights and wrongs of the Gaza conflict are highly contentious.

The rights and wrongs of the Ukrainian war are not. The Russian state has invaded a sovereign country. There is no 'grey area' . The government of this country (and vast majority of the population) completely support the Ukrainian people and have even welcomed them into our homes for the duration of the war. The vast majority of Russians in this country also support the Ukrainian side and are in (and remain in) this country because of their opposition to Putin and his murderous regime.

My village has flown Ukrainian flags along our high st since the beginning of the war. They only come down for Christmas as the decorations use the same posts. They were paid for and put up by the parish council. There have been no complaints only support.

There is no such comparison to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. There are very much two sides to this awful situation. Three if you treat Hamaz as a separate entity. There is no black and white answer . There are appalling and disgusting atrocities carried out by both sides. Both sides have had their 'rights' trampled on. Both sides have broken international law.

Because there are sides to take - people will take them and the other side will take offence leading to conflict. This is why flying Palestinian or Israeli flags is controversial, contentious and unhelpful. Completely the opposite when flying the Ukraine flag which is seen as supportive, welcoming and kind.

caringcarer · 03/11/2023 10:39

DrinkingMyWaterMindingMyBiz · 03/11/2023 08:50

Tower Hamlets is 40% Muslim and 0.6% Jewish.

Is that where these flags were put up high on street lamps?

DrinkingMyWaterMindingMyBiz · 03/11/2023 10:59

@caringcarer it seems so, yes.

Gothambutnotahamster · 03/11/2023 11:00

Very well said @theunbelievabletruth

DottieMoon · 03/11/2023 12:04

I think it's ridiculous and disgusting that so many people assume straight away that this would be anti Semitic and trying to intimidate Jewish communities.

Protesting for the Israel government to stop the continuous murder of thousands of Palestinians civilians, mostly children has NOTHING to do with anti-semitism, is about right and wrong, HUMANITY!

This is a huge problem in this country that any criticism of Israel, you have anti Semitism thrown in your face. Disgraceful.

DottieMoon · 03/11/2023 12:17

theunbelievabletruth · 03/11/2023 10:18

For me there is a huge difference between flying a Ukrainian flag in support of Ukraine and flying Palestinian flags or Israeli flags for that matter.

The rights and wrongs of the Gaza conflict are highly contentious.

The rights and wrongs of the Ukrainian war are not. The Russian state has invaded a sovereign country. There is no 'grey area' . The government of this country (and vast majority of the population) completely support the Ukrainian people and have even welcomed them into our homes for the duration of the war. The vast majority of Russians in this country also support the Ukrainian side and are in (and remain in) this country because of their opposition to Putin and his murderous regime.

My village has flown Ukrainian flags along our high st since the beginning of the war. They only come down for Christmas as the decorations use the same posts. They were paid for and put up by the parish council. There have been no complaints only support.

There is no such comparison to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. There are very much two sides to this awful situation. Three if you treat Hamaz as a separate entity. There is no black and white answer . There are appalling and disgusting atrocities carried out by both sides. Both sides have had their 'rights' trampled on. Both sides have broken international law.

Because there are sides to take - people will take them and the other side will take offence leading to conflict. This is why flying Palestinian or Israeli flags is controversial, contentious and unhelpful. Completely the opposite when flying the Ukraine flag which is seen as supportive, welcoming and kind.

Generally a fair statement and yes there are wrong and rights on both sides.

However, the wrong and rights are not even....not by far and the UK along with many other countries have ignored and supported the atrocities that IL has committed.

Hamas murdered over 1 thousand Israelis whilst Israel have murdered over 9 thousand Palestinians. The UK government condemn Hamas but not Israel. It is not defence, it's genocide.

theunbelievabletruth · 03/11/2023 16:21

Where do you start measuring wrongs committed on both sides. It's not possible.

No one can deny that the Israeli reaction to the abhorrent actions of Hamaz is not a surprise. This was entirely predictable. It doesn't make it right but it isn't unexpected.

I believe it is a calculated attempt by Hamaz to try and galvanise pan-Arab support in an all out war against Israel.

I am interested in why the Arab world does so little to support Gaza. There are TWO border posts. Israel AND Egypt.

Why are fellow Arabs (Egypt) keeping there doors shut. ? Why are they not keeping the border open 24/7 to allow anyone trapped in the hell hole of Gaza to escape ?

The answer is simple. They (and the majority of the Arab world) do not want Hamaz in their country anymore than the Israelis do..

I do not believe that to be pro Palestinian is to be anti semitic any more than being happy that the Jews have a homeland means that I do not wish the same for Palestinians.

What I am 'anti' are terrorists who use the people they claim to represent as cannon fodder to further their warped ideology.

Gothambutnotahamster · 03/11/2023 17:43

Again, very well said @theunbelievabletruth

DottieMoon · 03/11/2023 21:33

theunbelievabletruth · 03/11/2023 16:21

Where do you start measuring wrongs committed on both sides. It's not possible.

No one can deny that the Israeli reaction to the abhorrent actions of Hamaz is not a surprise. This was entirely predictable. It doesn't make it right but it isn't unexpected.

I believe it is a calculated attempt by Hamaz to try and galvanise pan-Arab support in an all out war against Israel.

I am interested in why the Arab world does so little to support Gaza. There are TWO border posts. Israel AND Egypt.

Why are fellow Arabs (Egypt) keeping there doors shut. ? Why are they not keeping the border open 24/7 to allow anyone trapped in the hell hole of Gaza to escape ?

The answer is simple. They (and the majority of the Arab world) do not want Hamaz in their country anymore than the Israelis do..

I do not believe that to be pro Palestinian is to be anti semitic any more than being happy that the Jews have a homeland means that I do not wish the same for Palestinians.

What I am 'anti' are terrorists who use the people they claim to represent as cannon fodder to further their warped ideology.

What I am 'anti' are terrorists who use the people they claim to represent as cannon fodder to further their warped ideology. Agree

But still does not justify Israel's response. They know Hamas will hide behind civilians but still chosen to continuously bomb densely populated area's to achieve their goal in eliminating Hamas. That is terrorism. They don't care how many civilian they kill to get there so they are happy to wipe out all the 'cannon fodder' Yes Israel's response was predictable because Israel have enforced a system of oppression and apartheid in Palestine for years, treating them subhuman for decades with condemnation from most of the world.

You keep referring to Hamas, try separate Hamas from civilian Palestinians. Over 3000 'cannon fodder' children have been murdered by Israel since October, they are not Hamas.

Israel are terrorists and are worse than Hamas.

SharonEllis · 03/11/2023 22:23

DottieMoon · 03/11/2023 21:33

What I am 'anti' are terrorists who use the people they claim to represent as cannon fodder to further their warped ideology. Agree

But still does not justify Israel's response. They know Hamas will hide behind civilians but still chosen to continuously bomb densely populated area's to achieve their goal in eliminating Hamas. That is terrorism. They don't care how many civilian they kill to get there so they are happy to wipe out all the 'cannon fodder' Yes Israel's response was predictable because Israel have enforced a system of oppression and apartheid in Palestine for years, treating them subhuman for decades with condemnation from most of the world.

You keep referring to Hamas, try separate Hamas from civilian Palestinians. Over 3000 'cannon fodder' children have been murdered by Israel since October, they are not Hamas.

Israel are terrorists and are worse than Hamas.

I'm not going to write out what the hamas terrorists did when they tortured & mutilated israelis, but please look it up. The evidence is from hamas's own footage. They celebrated it & their spokesman on Memri TV said they will keep doing it till every Jew is gone. There is no way on this earth you can claim the israelis are worse than hamas.

Gothambutnotahamster · 03/11/2023 22:30

Completely agree @SharonEllis

SharonEllis · 03/11/2023 22:39

theunbelievabletruth · 03/11/2023 16:21

Where do you start measuring wrongs committed on both sides. It's not possible.

No one can deny that the Israeli reaction to the abhorrent actions of Hamaz is not a surprise. This was entirely predictable. It doesn't make it right but it isn't unexpected.

I believe it is a calculated attempt by Hamaz to try and galvanise pan-Arab support in an all out war against Israel.

I am interested in why the Arab world does so little to support Gaza. There are TWO border posts. Israel AND Egypt.

Why are fellow Arabs (Egypt) keeping there doors shut. ? Why are they not keeping the border open 24/7 to allow anyone trapped in the hell hole of Gaza to escape ?

The answer is simple. They (and the majority of the Arab world) do not want Hamaz in their country anymore than the Israelis do..

I do not believe that to be pro Palestinian is to be anti semitic any more than being happy that the Jews have a homeland means that I do not wish the same for Palestinians.

What I am 'anti' are terrorists who use the people they claim to represent as cannon fodder to further their warped ideology.

100%

HoogahToogah · 03/11/2023 23:30

Yes,.dropping white phosphorus on children is really humane

EmmaDilemma5 · 04/11/2023 07:14

PackageCount167 · 02/11/2023 19:27

@Teaandtoast456 OP said it was a mixed neighbourhood.

It could be a Jewish person who put the flags up, we know there are Jewish people who are marched in the pro Palestine rallies.

Highly unlikely. Most Jews will feel empathy with innocent Palestinians for sure, but this is a very scary time for Jews. Please don't be so dumb as to think they'd be putting up Palestinian flags, knowing the impact this conflict is having on Jews all over the world.

We want cease-fire. We also want to know that Israeli's won't be slaughtered again like they were by Hamas on 7th Oct, which triggered the conflict.

EmmaDilemma5 · 04/11/2023 07:15

OP - I would report to the council. It's totally inappropriate and intimidating that these were put up.

DottieMoon · 04/11/2023 10:21

SharonEllis · 03/11/2023 22:23

I'm not going to write out what the hamas terrorists did when they tortured & mutilated israelis, but please look it up. The evidence is from hamas's own footage. They celebrated it & their spokesman on Memri TV said they will keep doing it till every Jew is gone. There is no way on this earth you can claim the israelis are worse than hamas.

I do know thanks you, what about Israel blowing up thousands children?

israel are not targeting just hamas, they also want to keep going until every Palestinian is gone, hamas or no hamas. They have been many comments made by Israelis, sonplease
look it up.

I am also not just referring to what has happened since October, Israel have treated Palestinians horrifically for decades, oppression, apartheid etc. They have always treated them as subhuman. For them, they quite happy to use the horrific Hammas attack as the excuse the commit a genocide.

hamas are horrific but you are very naive to keep Israel are not

CameleonAreFightingBack · 04/11/2023 10:41

Well I’m going to say it’s not treating Palestinians as subhuman, it’s seen them as such.
I mean the current prime minister is calling them human animals. Just animals, nothing more….

If anyone else had used those words, can you imagine the uproar??

Note: I’m very aware this applies only to some Israeli. Not all of them support the prime minister, the ‘war’, let alone that sort of language.
But some do and embrace it fully. That’s how he came to power afterall.

PackageCount167 · 05/11/2023 20:54

@EmmaDilemma5 you find thd Palestinian flag intimidating?? Im Jewish and I dont. Get a grip

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