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Is it allowed to put political flags on public lamp posts for the entire street?

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HaveANiceevening · 02/11/2023 19:07

I noticed that the Palestine flags were on every single lamp post on the entire street and the next one in my neighbourhood.
This area has a mixed population; some of them are Jewish.

Can the council put the flags up like this? Or is it likely to be individuals?

Thank you.

Is it allowed to put political flags on public lamp posts for the entire street?
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minou123 · 02/11/2023 19:35

GreekDogRescue · 02/11/2023 19:30

It’s sad that you and your neighbours are tolerating such racism.
why aren’t you taking them down?

Because the flags are really high up the lamppost.

What do you propose the Op do?? use her spiderman skills to shimmy up the lamppost?

And anyway, the Op isn't tolerating it she's asking who would have put them up and who should she ask to get them taken down.

DottieMoon · 02/11/2023 19:36

GreekDogRescue · 02/11/2023 19:30

It’s sad that you and your neighbours are tolerating such racism.
why aren’t you taking them down?

How exactly is it racism?

CatamaranViper · 02/11/2023 19:40

I can absolutely see my local council doing this if they thought it's what made them look good, but also they wouldn't care less if someone reported it. I've reported several issues over the years and never even heard from them regarding it

CameleonAreFightingBack · 02/11/2023 19:45

GreekDogRescue · 02/11/2023 19:30

It’s sad that you and your neighbours are tolerating such racism.
why aren’t you taking them down?

Racism??

I appreciate that many people will have different ideas on what’s going on in the ME.
But if i see a Palestinian flag, I’d assume it is to show support of PALESTINIANS, not Hamas…
How is that racist?

HoogahToogah · 02/11/2023 19:52

HaveANiceevening · 02/11/2023 19:18

Well, there are Ukrainian flags in my area but they are on private properties not every single public lamp posts of the entire streets.

People would still be offended if they were on private houses. There are videos on social media of police officers going to houses asking for Palestinian flags to be removed from the windows.

Yes the wars are different, however there's no difference in the narratives that are being pushed by our media about who the "bad guys" are. Given the atrocities currently carried out in Gaza, sticking flags on our lamp posts is the least we should be doing given that our government has picked their favourite side and are doing jack shit to humanise Palestinians

SharonEllis · 02/11/2023 20:01

PackageCount167 · 02/11/2023 19:30

@SharonEllis

Despite the similarities between Ukraine and Palestine, cognitive biases lead European diplomacies and media to interpret these two conflicts in almost opposite ways

What similarities? Ukraine was a sovreign democratic nation that was invaded by an aggressor (Russia) in clear contravention of international law. Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and was observing a ceasefire, repeatedly broken by rocket fire from the Hamas controlled dictatorship in Gaza. Hamas terrorists invaded and attacked civilians at a festival and in their homes. They raped, tortured, mutilated and set them on fire and celebrated their killing spree. They took hostages Their leaders stated that they will do it again until they have killed all Jews and eliminated Israel. Please tell me how Ukraine (led incidentally by a Jew who has condemned Hamas unequivocally) & Palestine are similar?

HaveANiceevening · 02/11/2023 20:07

HoogahToogah · 02/11/2023 19:52

People would still be offended if they were on private houses. There are videos on social media of police officers going to houses asking for Palestinian flags to be removed from the windows.

Yes the wars are different, however there's no difference in the narratives that are being pushed by our media about who the "bad guys" are. Given the atrocities currently carried out in Gaza, sticking flags on our lamp posts is the least we should be doing given that our government has picked their favourite side and are doing jack shit to humanise Palestinians

You can stick as many flags as you want in your home, and I respect your choice. But don't shuffle hundreds of them onto other people's faces on public streets, please. It does not help your cause.

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HoogahToogah · 02/11/2023 20:09

SharonEllis · 02/11/2023 20:01

What similarities? Ukraine was a sovreign democratic nation that was invaded by an aggressor (Russia) in clear contravention of international law. Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and was observing a ceasefire, repeatedly broken by rocket fire from the Hamas controlled dictatorship in Gaza. Hamas terrorists invaded and attacked civilians at a festival and in their homes. They raped, tortured, mutilated and set them on fire and celebrated their killing spree. They took hostages Their leaders stated that they will do it again until they have killed all Jews and eliminated Israel. Please tell me how Ukraine (led incidentally by a Jew who has condemned Hamas unequivocally) & Palestine are similar?

You clearly consume just the news spoon fed to you. Israel is and has been the aggressor for decades. In fact, I think Putin and Netanyahu are on good terms. No one is condemning or denying what Hamas did. It was abhorrent. But how can you not see that their very reason for establishment was to show resistance to continued oppression. If Israel "withdrew" from Gaza, then why do they still control what jobs Palestinians can have, where they can go, and their contribution to society?
Have you seen what's happening in the west Bank right now, where there is no Hamas? Israeli settlers are armed with guns and killing Palestinian residents and/or forcing them to leave the area so that they can take their land. Why?

Kinneddar · 02/11/2023 20:10

I would contact council & police

What would you expect the police to do? Have officers climb up the lampposts?? 🙄

Report it to the council

HoogahToogah · 02/11/2023 20:12

HaveANiceevening · 02/11/2023 20:07

You can stick as many flags as you want in your home, and I respect your choice. But don't shuffle hundreds of them onto other people's faces on public streets, please. It does not help your cause.

Well sure, nothing helps Palestinians cause does it? You can see the images and evidence, if they don't help the cause then a couple of poxy flags on your street won't, will they

SalmonWellington · 02/11/2023 20:13

Putting Palestinian or Ukranian flags up is fine.

Seeking out a Jewish or Russian neighbourhood to put up Palestinian or Ukranian flags is not, because it's intimidating and because it implies that you think British Jews or Britons of Rusdian extraction are really Jewish or Russian and not British and are therefore responsible for what Israel or Russia do. It's particularly problematic in the first case because there's a long and ugly history of accusing Jews of dual loyalties - to other Jews and to their country of origin.

HaveANiceevening · 02/11/2023 20:25

HoogahToogah · 02/11/2023 20:12

Well sure, nothing helps Palestinians cause does it? You can see the images and evidence, if they don't help the cause then a couple of poxy flags on your street won't, will they

First, not "a couple of poxy flags", there are hundreds of them, full-size flags, high on every lamppost - you conveniently ignore this.

Also, I thought you care about the cause, but maybe it is just virtue-signalling and an ego-boost.

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shockeditellyou · 02/11/2023 20:26

Go have a look at what happens to community cohesion in Northern Ireland if you think putting flegs flags up is a good idea. I hope they are taken down soon.

windypumpkin · 02/11/2023 20:26

OP. Something is making you uncomfortable about the flags. You don't need to decide if they should be taken down. What you can do is report it to the council - as I said before they might have an anonymous form you can fill in. And just say you thought they'd like to know there's Palestinian flags tied to the lamposts and it's an area in which you know some of the Jewish population live. Or consider calling the police none emergancy number and again say you are just letting them know they are there.

OppsUpsSide · 02/11/2023 20:27

Report it, they should be removed.

GreekDogRescue · 02/11/2023 20:28

CameleonAreFightingBack · 02/11/2023 19:45

Racism??

I appreciate that many people will have different ideas on what’s going on in the ME.
But if i see a Palestinian flag, I’d assume it is to show support of PALESTINIANS, not Hamas…
How is that racist?

I’d assume that they were anti semitic and intimidating the Jewish community.
Racism mustn’t be tolerated.
These are people that think it’s a great idea to dye live mice and throw them into McDonalds, so we can add animal abuse to their crimes of misogyny, anti Semitism and homophobia.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 02/11/2023 20:33

It won't be the council. This is like in Northern Ireland where the different areas express their identity by sticking flags and murals everywhere.

I don't know what the legal situation is (as I say, in NI they are permitted) but I don't think they should be allowed. It doesn't help in any way, nor is it intended to.

HaveANiceevening · 02/11/2023 20:35

windypumpkin · 02/11/2023 20:26

OP. Something is making you uncomfortable about the flags. You don't need to decide if they should be taken down. What you can do is report it to the council - as I said before they might have an anonymous form you can fill in. And just say you thought they'd like to know there's Palestinian flags tied to the lamposts and it's an area in which you know some of the Jewish population live. Or consider calling the police none emergancy number and again say you are just letting them know they are there.

Just checked that I had to leave my name and even address in the complaint form to the council.
Are there any other ways?

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EasternStandard · 02/11/2023 20:36

Let us know what the council say

Peskysquirrel · 02/11/2023 20:37

Why don't you want to leave your name and address?
It's a valid request to ask for them to be removed and you should stand by it.

SharonEllis · 02/11/2023 20:38

HoogahToogah · 02/11/2023 20:09

You clearly consume just the news spoon fed to you. Israel is and has been the aggressor for decades. In fact, I think Putin and Netanyahu are on good terms. No one is condemning or denying what Hamas did. It was abhorrent. But how can you not see that their very reason for establishment was to show resistance to continued oppression. If Israel "withdrew" from Gaza, then why do they still control what jobs Palestinians can have, where they can go, and their contribution to society?
Have you seen what's happening in the west Bank right now, where there is no Hamas? Israeli settlers are armed with guns and killing Palestinian residents and/or forcing them to leave the area so that they can take their land. Why?

Are you serously saying that anything in my post is untrue? Have you not read the details of the Hamas attack? they posted the footage of their attacks themselves and it is freely available on social media.

Pebbles16 · 02/11/2023 20:39

GreekDogRescue · 02/11/2023 20:28

I’d assume that they were anti semitic and intimidating the Jewish community.
Racism mustn’t be tolerated.
These are people that think it’s a great idea to dye live mice and throw them into McDonalds, so we can add animal abuse to their crimes of misogyny, anti Semitism and homophobia.

Flags in support of one of the most people of the world are not anti semitic

HaveANiceevening · 02/11/2023 20:40

Peskysquirrel · 02/11/2023 20:37

Why don't you want to leave your name and address?
It's a valid request to ask for them to be removed and you should stand by it.

Edited

In an ideal world, I would. But I am just a single person and the council I live in is famous for its corruption and electron fraud.

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LemongrassLollipop · 02/11/2023 20:42

The flag of Palestine is not a political flag.

How do you know it does offend the local Jewish population? Lots of Jewish people are pro-Palestine.

MeinKraft · 02/11/2023 20:43

TheYearOfSmallThings · 02/11/2023 20:33

It won't be the council. This is like in Northern Ireland where the different areas express their identity by sticking flags and murals everywhere.

I don't know what the legal situation is (as I say, in NI they are permitted) but I don't think they should be allowed. It doesn't help in any way, nor is it intended to.

Incidentally, currently some unionist areas of NI are flying Israel flags and some nationalist areas are flying Palestine flags.