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In the coming general election will you base your vote on …

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Katharinablumwasinnocent · 28/09/2023 10:48

State of the country, economic performance, moral rectitude of the government or lack of..
So if you are unhappy with the way the country has been governed, general conduct of the Conservatives, you’ll presumably not vote for them. They’ve had 13 years to improve things. 13 years to level up (Not just Johnson’s plan but Northern Powerhouse before that etc too) and very little has been achieved.
Or
Tradition, how you’ve always voted. Don’t trust the other side however bad your ‘team’ are. Even though your team may have been corrupt, deceptive, inept (Truss, Johnson) or wish washy, indecisive, uncharismatic (Corbyn, Starmer) you’ll still vote for the same party.
I’m interested in tribal politics. The next GE will be fascinating to see if the Red wall continues to crumble and the Home Counties drop their loyalty to the Conservatives….. What does it take to change your allegiance ?

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GreyCarpet · 29/09/2023 00:29

My vote will be dependent on them knowing what a woman is.

I can't trust any political party who is so confused about such a simple matter to make bigger decisions on things that might actually not have such a simple, straightforward answer.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 29/09/2023 00:56

The whole being unable to identify a woman thing has really opened my eyes to how ridiculous Labour has become. It’s a shame l voted for them for years but it’s all become so ridiculous, if i can’t trust them to be honest on something so obvious how can I trust them on anything else. Unfortunately Lib Dem’s aren’t offering much of an alternative so much as a “hold my beer”. Greens have become a parody. Can’t in any conscience vote Conservative as they seem to have no longer term plans and make stupid decisions without thinking of the consequences, however somehow that works for them and everyone still votes them in. There are a few MPs I like but not enough to sway me. The biggest problems I think we have are lack of affordable housing and social care for older people which should be seen as important as the NHS but no party’s give a shit.

emmag1925 · 29/09/2023 01:10

OhmygodDont · 28/09/2023 11:10

I’ll vote for my independent one.

How anyone could vote for a “team” that thinks a women can have a penis is past me. I have daughters to think about not how some men feel.

My daughter identifies as non binary/male. Is what they feel important?

emmag1925 · 29/09/2023 01:14

Noname99 · 28/09/2023 11:10

I’ll vote for the party I think will be the best for me and my family. Just like most people do. Whilst there are always millionaire socialists and poor conservatives, mostly people vote for the party that they perceive will benefit them the most. It’s only Labour who some how try to make out there is virtue in this. Generally (and it is generally that counts as it’s a majority not minority that makes the difference) if you earn a lower wage, are on benefits and a heavy user of ‘state services’ you are going to vote labour. Not for any moral purpose (however much you like to dress it up) but because you perceive you will do better either through more benefits or better services that ‘richer’ people will pay more for than you. If you are higher wage, no benefits and lesser user of state services because you can ‘top up’ privately then you vote Tory because you perceive that you will keep more if he money you earn and pay less to the ‘state.’

Very few people are ‘issue’ voters. It’s been proven over and over again ….. there would be hundreds of green MPs if we were …. the only exception to that has been the last election which was heavily influenced by Brexit. But that was still people voting for what they perceived to be their best interests.

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A high proportion of working class people with no critical thinking vote conservative. So many working class people who don't benefit from tory rule but they focus on the wrong things

PoseasRadicalActuallyMisogynistic · 29/09/2023 01:15

Not more important than other people’s rights to dignity, safety and equity. Not fair on men is she starts using men’s facilities. Many men would be embarrassed to have a woman in their toilets or changing rooms.

TheNestedIf · 29/09/2023 01:18

Spoilt ballot paper for me. None of the parties have shown they can be trusted with women's rights or wellbeing to this point. That is what matters to me the most. I'd rather do that than not vote at all, because women fought for me to have the right to do that.

Labour can change my mind if it pledges to update the Equality Act to clarify that sex means your actual sex, and if they pledge to make misogyny a hate crime.

emmag1925 · 29/09/2023 01:21

vinoandbrie · 28/09/2023 20:37

Which candidate / party knows what a woman is.

Which candidate / party will not charge me VAT on the school fees I pay.

Is my daughter who wants to identify as non binary/ male a woman or someone that wants to live their life but may be vulnerable?

emmag1925 · 29/09/2023 01:26

Kibnleat · 28/09/2023 11:03

Me too. I just cannot vote Labour for this reason and can't believe any woman or parent of daughters could vote for them.

I am in limbo too. We need a new option.

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How will this keep your daughters safe? Predators are predators whether they pretend to be another gender or not.

emmag1925 · 29/09/2023 01:34

FanFckingTastic · 28/09/2023 12:40

I have a daughter and a vagina so this would make it very difficult to vote Labour, despite the fact that the Tory government have shown themselves to be lacking.

I have a daughter who associates as non binary/male. I have also been SA and knowing what is a woman genetically would not have stopped this from happening. A predator is a predator

OneMoreCookieMonster · 29/09/2023 01:37

frozendaisy · 28/09/2023 10:55

The only way of getting our useless Tory MP out is to vote labour.

You missed out tactically

This 100%. I'll be tactically voting and it still won't be enough to get the Conservatives out of this constituency.

emmag1925 · 29/09/2023 01:41

TidyDancer · 28/09/2023 13:16

Women's rights are my bottom line here so I won't vote for a party who peddle the lie that TWAW. I care about other things obviously - NHS being one of the main ones - but if they won't state basic biological facts and stand up against the VAWG issues they won't get my vote.

How will believing that trans women aren't women stop all the VAWG that happens all the time and has nothing to do with trans people?

emmag1925 · 29/09/2023 01:46

TheFTrain · 28/09/2023 14:20

I consider myself left of centre. I've mainly voted Labour but have once voted Conservative. This time around it'll be a tactical vote from me to get our Conservative MP out which means I'll be voting Lib Dem.

I don't have an awful lot of faith in Starmer but I can't support the a party who have driven the NHS and schools to breaking point. My kids have had up to 35 pupils in a class and we've been on the waiting list for an operation for 18 months and counting. I have never known it to be so bad.

So you have faith in the Lib Dems?

emmag1925 · 29/09/2023 01:59

snowbird21 · 28/09/2023 20:30

I really am not sure who to vote for, I will base my voted upon:
The control of the economy/inflaiton - who I think is competent to ensure that people/families in poverty
Migration - as I feel it is a mess and needs a rational decisions
The gender issue - which party/MP reflects my GC views

OK. So you will vote conservative then

emmag1925 · 29/09/2023 02:05

ModeWeasel · 28/09/2023 22:57

I would like the option to send my child with special needs to a private secondary school if I can find any way of affording it by then.

So not Labour.

How will the consevative government help with this?

emmag1925 · 29/09/2023 02:11

Cranberriesandtea · 28/09/2023 23:46

I have voted Labour my whole life, currently not voting in my area if there is no other option than labour and Tory. Labour can't define what a woman is and Tory have rendered us a 3rd world country, the overlap between the two parties at the moment are frighteningly similar and I can't honestly give my vote to either. I hate not voting but I just can't.

Why can't helping vulnerable people be ok instead of caring about what gender they associate as? Victims and vulnerable people can still be priorities whilst recognising that individuals identify in different ways

SammyScrounge · 29/09/2023 02:14

I couldn't possibly vote for a Party which doesn't know what a woman is or that a man can never be a woman, only a parody of one. I could never vote for a Party which allows women to be bullied even on the floor of the House of Commons itself.
To me these Parties are absurd. I now have to vote Tory for the first time in my life. Maybe they will get that queer ideology muck out of the classroom - no chance of that with Labour, Lib-Dems, SNP, or Greens.

emmag1925 · 29/09/2023 02:16

BIossomtoes · 28/09/2023 23:54

Hitherto they weighed the Tory votes here so it was a waste of shoe leather walking to the polling station, however I voted. This time I actually feel optimistic that we might just see a change so, although I’ve been a Labour voter since I first voted over 50 years ago, this time it will be for whoever is most likely to oust the Tory and will probably be LibDem.

Yes. The nation tried this a few years back. We had a hung parliament who the created the Con-Dem coalition. Mainly due to Labour voters suddenly voting Lib Dem. The Lib Dems wil not oust the Tory Party anytime soon

emmag1925 · 29/09/2023 02:18

GreyCarpet · 29/09/2023 00:29

My vote will be dependent on them knowing what a woman is.

I can't trust any political party who is so confused about such a simple matter to make bigger decisions on things that might actually not have such a simple, straightforward answer.

I'd prefer to know what a predator is

emmag1925 · 29/09/2023 02:21

PoseasRadicalActuallyMisogynistic · 29/09/2023 01:15

Not more important than other people’s rights to dignity, safety and equity. Not fair on men is she starts using men’s facilities. Many men would be embarrassed to have a woman in their toilets or changing rooms.

My local swimming pool changing room is sexless. There are cubicles and privacy for all. Gender Identity is not a problem there

emmag1925 · 29/09/2023 02:23

emmag1925 · 29/09/2023 02:21

My local swimming pool changing room is sexless. There are cubicles and privacy for all. Gender Identity is not a problem there

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Plus having a place identified as a one gender only place does not guarentee safety and could in fact point to a place where only one gender is likely to be

emmag1925 · 29/09/2023 02:30

emmag1925 · 29/09/2023 02:21

My local swimming pool changing room is sexless. There are cubicles and privacy for all. Gender Identity is not a problem there

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And yes on the using men's facilities goodness knows how cheeky it would be for them to go to a working mens club, use the toilets and play snooker or pool. I'm sure they'd be outraged

DepartmentOfMysteries · 29/09/2023 02:47

I will vote for the party with the best climate change policy. Even if that means voting conservative (which it obviously won't), because that is the single most important issue to me by a country mile.

WandaWomblesaurus · 29/09/2023 07:11

@emmag1925
Your daughter identifying as the opposite sex doesn't mean that gender ideology isn't harmful. Some would argue that she now isn't safe if she decides to use male bathrooms and changing areas.

My autistic daughter who knows she is female because she understands biology is not safe when men are allowed to use female changing rooms. Because as you say, a predator is a predator and just because some people are confused about their sex doesn't mean that we should be allowing the social boundaries around privacy and dignity that have been put in place for the safety of women and children to be eroded allowing predators free access and punishing girls who don't agree this is ok under a happy crappy rainbow flag.

The brazen hypocrisy of advocating for male rapists in female prisons means SNP/Green clowns 🤡 need out in Scotland so I will vote tactically.

@emmag1925 do you think that my autistic teenage daughter should be changing in the same spaces as an adult man who is wearing a dress?
Because I think that is a massive safeguarding issue.

TidyDancer · 29/09/2023 07:22

@emmag1925

"How will believing that trans women aren't women stop all the VAWG that happens all the time and has nothing to do with trans people?"

I don't believe I (or anyone else) said it would? 🤔

TidyDancer · 29/09/2023 07:28

TidyDancer · 29/09/2023 07:22

@emmag1925

"How will believing that trans women aren't women stop all the VAWG that happens all the time and has nothing to do with trans people?"

I don't believe I (or anyone else) said it would? 🤔

Ah, I see from your other posts that your daughter is part of the gender ideology faith. Your question and focus makes more sense now.

There are a lot of very knowledgeable members who post on this board who can help you make sense of all this.

Wishing you all the best.