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In the coming general election will you base your vote on …

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Katharinablumwasinnocent · 28/09/2023 10:48

State of the country, economic performance, moral rectitude of the government or lack of..
So if you are unhappy with the way the country has been governed, general conduct of the Conservatives, you’ll presumably not vote for them. They’ve had 13 years to improve things. 13 years to level up (Not just Johnson’s plan but Northern Powerhouse before that etc too) and very little has been achieved.
Or
Tradition, how you’ve always voted. Don’t trust the other side however bad your ‘team’ are. Even though your team may have been corrupt, deceptive, inept (Truss, Johnson) or wish washy, indecisive, uncharismatic (Corbyn, Starmer) you’ll still vote for the same party.
I’m interested in tribal politics. The next GE will be fascinating to see if the Red wall continues to crumble and the Home Counties drop their loyalty to the Conservatives….. What does it take to change your allegiance ?

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 28/09/2023 11:15

I would never vote Tory as their values are just not compatible with mine.

I'm not tribal about my vote, though - have voted for Labour, Lib Dem, Green and even independent candidates previously.

Right now, I am uninspired by any of them, but I will be voting Labour at the next General Election as that is the best chance of getting my dreadful Tory MP out.

Lapirogue · 28/09/2023 11:16

I'll make a final decision nearer the time but I'll vote for anyone to help finally end the SNP run. They are running my country into the ground.

Katharinablumwasinnocent · 28/09/2023 11:18

@EasternStandard I agree. I’ll look at policies. My experience of the Conservatives isn’t good tbh if we are looking at actual performance as a government. My experience of a Labour council a few years ago wasn’t great either.
I don’t think the Tories deserve to win, they are complacent and arrogant, hence their behaviour but equally I wish the Labour Party were a bit more like New Labour back in 1997. Don’t like the so called culture war, massive deflection and wish we could vote on factual things like economic performance, moral standing of ministers, how the country is fairing generally. I wish voters could see how bad things really are in some parts of the UK.

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BodgerSparkins · 28/09/2023 11:20

I will likely base my vote on the best local candidate for MP, and I think in this case that happens to be Labour. I do not want any of the current candidates from either of the major parties as PM but there's little I can do to affect that.

I will be paying close attention to concrete support for renewables and the NHS, all else to me feels like fiddling while Rome burns.

Kibnleat · 28/09/2023 11:21

Katharinablumwasinnocent · 28/09/2023 11:08

@Kibnleat so essentially you are happy with the status quo ?

Not happy no. But I don't think I have ever been aware of so many people feeling so politically homeless as they do now.

I genuinely don't know what I will do and I have always been fairly sure on my vote.

GasDrivenNun · 28/09/2023 11:22

user1497207191 · 28/09/2023 10:59

For the past 40 years, I've voted a mix of Lab, Tory and Libdems, but I can't vote for any of those next time. I can't vote for Greens who are far too extreme locally. For me, I'll vote the best independent option available.

I don't care about voting tactically to remove the Tories as Labour will be just as bad. (Lots of incompetence in Blair/Brown's 3 terms of office). Can't vote libdem after they sold their soul for a whiff of power in the coalition. Can't vote Tory with billionaire Rishi in charge.

There's some level of incompetence in all governments.
I don't accept the huge incompetence and corruption of the Tories over the last 13 years.
No party or government will be perfect. You have to be pragmatic and consider who will be the least bad.

Katharinablumwasinnocent · 28/09/2023 11:23

@gabbyaggy agree. It’s like people cannot or refuse to see the real state of the country outside the South East. So many things are going wrong but on the other hand Labour seem so prone to gaffes and just making sensible decisions for fear of offending some random section of the electorate.
I care about the whole trans debate and ‘does Labour know what a woman is’, but I can’t say the Conservatives do on the basis of their actions.

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IncompleteSenten · 28/09/2023 11:25

I don't know. I refuse to vote for any party that claims women can have penises but tbh none of the parties appeal to me.
I voted labour for years then became disillusioned with them and voted lib Dems. Won't vote for them again any time soon.

I don't feel that any party deserves my vote.

SkinnyMalinkyLankyLegs · 28/09/2023 11:31

RudsyFarmer · 28/09/2023 10:52

I don’t think you’re that interested in other peoples opinions. It’s obvious in the way you’ve worded your opening post that you are here to push your own agenda.

Yep, this was apparent in the opening few lines.

To answer the question.....as a lifelong SNP supporter, it's with a heavy heart that I'll now be voting for whoever I think has the best chance of getting the SNP out.

madamreign · 28/09/2023 11:31

It's all about emotion, isn't it?

Nobody voting on performance?

Katharinablumwasinnocent · 28/09/2023 11:32

@IncompleteSenten Out of interest do you thing the Conservatives deserve to be in government ?
I guess that’s the issue. Despite their incompetence, despite almost destroying the economy (Truss), despite virtual corruption during Lockdown, lies, Brexit, essentially many are happy to reward them. Which is actually quite sad.

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UsernameChangedYetAgain · 28/09/2023 11:32

madamreign · 28/09/2023 11:31

It's all about emotion, isn't it?

Nobody voting on performance?

Only on the performance of the local candidates and what they do for the the area. The MP is primarily to represent the interests of the local area on a national platform, if they can't do that they don't get my vote

UsernameChangedYetAgain · 28/09/2023 11:33

Katharinablumwasinnocent · 28/09/2023 11:32

@IncompleteSenten Out of interest do you thing the Conservatives deserve to be in government ?
I guess that’s the issue. Despite their incompetence, despite almost destroying the economy (Truss), despite virtual corruption during Lockdown, lies, Brexit, essentially many are happy to reward them. Which is actually quite sad.

Your tone really won't endear fence sitting voters to jump over to labour. People don't like being patronised.

parameciumparty · 28/09/2023 11:34

The Conservative Party are not conservative. They're destroying the country. They're so bad it would be laughable if it weren't so tragic.

The Labour Party will try to turn everyone into controlled woke drones and set up some sort of social credit system. They don't know what women/females are, so expect to see trans'women' bullying everyone into submission and admitting themselves to maternity units because they're in 'labour' whilst pushing the real labouring women out of bed and onto the floor in all likelihood.

I don't intend to vote.

Katharinablumwasinnocent · 28/09/2023 11:35

@SkinnyMalinkyLankyLegs rudsyfarmer hasn’t told me what my agenda is.
And it says a lot that posters cannot criticise the government without being accused of supporting Labour. Do you actually thing the last 13 years have been great ? I’ve had experience of crap Tory government and a Labour council so crap I vote Libdem.

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Idratherbepaddleboarding · 28/09/2023 11:36

I will vote Labour as our local MP is excellent, despite not really being enamoured with the Labour Party as a whole. After that I would vote Lib Dem and then anyone that’s left except the Conservatives.

DivingForLove · 28/09/2023 11:39

@Noname99 we are higher rate tax payers with access to private health who vote Labour because we believe in sharing the wealth. Only voting for self interest is a dangerous road to go down as we cannot live in isolation from the impact this has on our neighbours.

Katharinablumwasinnocent · 28/09/2023 11:45

@UsernameChangedYetAgain I’m not voting Labour. Will vote Lib Dem.
Why is it patronising to ask why voters vote a certain way ? Why can’t there be discourse about how the government manages the country ? Why can’t we criticise the government and be somewhat surprised that some people are happy to overlook actual financial mismanagement whilst simultaneously accusing the Labour party or Lib Dem’s of it ?
Brexit all over again. We weren’t able to challenge leave voters about the Brexshambles we are now in, the actual fall in the quality of life for many of us, without being called condescending. Look where that lead us.

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Cottagecheeseisnotcheese · 28/09/2023 11:45

I would like to vote for someone with genuine integrity even if I do not agree with all there policies unfortunately between Westminister parliament and the other parliaments I have grave doubts of there being more than a handful with real integrity, less than 10% I do not mean never making a mistake or occasionally being snappy or in a bad mod or caught offguard we are all human I'm not expecting angels in disguise; but just fundamentally honest and decent. I think a few exist in most parties
People can't change sex though we should be tolerant of those that don't fit gender categories easily or well, there will never be enough money to pay for everything people want so it needs to be priorotised and how this is done may vary, we can't prevent all accidents or deaths. we should not majorly disadvantage one group for another (minor ones are inevitable). Freedom of speech and justice for all is important.
Tolerance is not widely understood, it means putting up with things you don't like and don't agree with and understaniding the others right to do these things hold these views and express them. True tolerance is in very short supply

Cottagecheeseisnotcheese · 28/09/2023 11:48

@Katharinablumwasinnocent I think patronising never works because when push comes to shove people may vote for someone they dislike and / or don't agree with but people will generally not vote for someone they believe dislikes them or looks down on them

UsernameChangedYetAgain · 28/09/2023 11:48

Katharinablumwasinnocent · 28/09/2023 11:45

@UsernameChangedYetAgain I’m not voting Labour. Will vote Lib Dem.
Why is it patronising to ask why voters vote a certain way ? Why can’t there be discourse about how the government manages the country ? Why can’t we criticise the government and be somewhat surprised that some people are happy to overlook actual financial mismanagement whilst simultaneously accusing the Labour party or Lib Dem’s of it ?
Brexit all over again. We weren’t able to challenge leave voters about the Brexshambles we are now in, the actual fall in the quality of life for many of us, without being called condescending. Look where that lead us.

Because the tone of your post implies you don't want a discussion you want to shout people down for their voting choices and feel morally superior to them.

I miss the days where voting choices were a private and personal thing and the want to be private about it was respected.

Katharinablumwasinnocent · 28/09/2023 12:07

@UsernameChangedYetAgain I don’t get the comment about my tone.
I suspect you are well aware that the government hasn’t performed well but will still vote for them. That’s fine. You do you. The sense of shame is in your head. No morally superiority on my part, just a statement of facts that the current shower are an absolute embarrassment.

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Beezknees · 28/09/2023 12:18

I'll vote Labour as I always have. My town has been Conservative for 20 years but in the most recent local elections Labour have been victorious.

minipie · 28/09/2023 12:22

Rock and a hard place here.

I can’t get over Labour’s TWAW stance. And the VAT on school fees - not just because it affects us personally but because I think it shows they are willing to do knee jerk “politics of envy” policies even if they don’t make sense economically.

On the other hand it will be a cold day in hell before I will vote for this particular batch of Tories.

I’ll be looking carefully at other parties. Yes I know they won’t win.

StarDolphins · 28/09/2023 12:24

I hate Labour & I hate Conservative.

I don’t want to waste my vote though!

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