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Coveescapee · 28/09/2023 15:42

NigelHarmansNewWife · 28/09/2023 15:38

Why the need to define right wing or far right on this thread? It's easy enough to look online and find out yourself. Similarly for left wing and socialist. Blindingly obvious GB News is modelling itself on US Fox News given how successful that has been.

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Sigh my point is that alot of people now define far right/right as views they don't like and which are often held by the vast majority of people (eg gc views). Thus making it a meaningless term.

newnamethanks · 28/09/2023 15:46

That's your opinion @Coveescapee. That doesn't make it fact. You should know the difference.

hihelenhi · 28/09/2023 15:48

I can't stand GB News in the main OR Laurence Fox. And of course it's modelled itself on Fox News.

But I would MUCH rather see the more mainstream channels that I used to trust have a more robust approach to discussion and less of the smug assumptions that they're wholly unbiased and righteous. They're really not. And it's created the vacuum that places like GB news are filling.

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Coveescapee · 28/09/2023 15:56

newnamethanks · 28/09/2023 15:46

That's your opinion @Coveescapee. That doesn't make it fact. You should know the difference.

Well duh yes of course its my opinion we are on an opinion site (Mumsnet). Ditto your posts. I don't know what your point is.

Passepartoute · 28/09/2023 15:59

Coveescapee · 28/09/2023 14:50

No because that's against the law duh. Not quite the same as perfectly mainstream views which are not given an airing on the other channels.

But then, Fox wanted to air a view that the test of the validity of a woman's opinion is whether he and his mates want to shag her. There's a definite case for saying that that is against the law. Should he be able to do that?

newnamethanks · 28/09/2023 15:59

Yes. I can tell.

Coveescapee · 28/09/2023 16:13

No of course fox's sexist remarks shouldn't be against the law just as brand's weren't, that is what Ofcom is for to uphold standards. As someone now im their fifties I can say standards in TV have gone downhill in the last 20 years (eg naked attraction etc. would never have been shown in the 80s or 90s) so they're not doing a great job but in this case GB News have already suspended Fox so no problem.

ColdEvenings · 28/09/2023 16:21

@Coveescapee and we used to mock Mary Whitehouse!

Little did we know!!!

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/09/2023 16:22

Coveescapee · 28/09/2023 15:35

Lawks I give up. None of you have defined right or far right. It's just as meaningless as me blethering on about left and far left. People just don't bother thinking anymore just reach for meaningless labels (I blame social media and the fact that people can stay in their silos and never have to counter opposing views).

Do you understand what GB News commentators mean when they talk about the Left / Progressives / the Far Left? Which they do often.

GB News is one of those silos you mentioned.

Passepartoute · 28/09/2023 16:27

Coveescapee · 28/09/2023 16:13

No of course fox's sexist remarks shouldn't be against the law just as brand's weren't, that is what Ofcom is for to uphold standards. As someone now im their fifties I can say standards in TV have gone downhill in the last 20 years (eg naked attraction etc. would never have been shown in the 80s or 90s) so they're not doing a great job but in this case GB News have already suspended Fox so no problem.

That ship sailed a long time ago. It is against the law to discriminate against someone based on their sex.

NigelHarmansNewWife · 28/09/2023 16:28

Coveescapee · 28/09/2023 15:42

Sigh my point is that alot of people now define far right/right as views they don't like and which are often held by the vast majority of people (eg gc views). Thus making it a meaningless term.

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Eyeroll at your sigh - come on, you can do better than that. I think you should credit posters on this thread with more intelligence than you clearly do. I would say my views are left of centre. I'm gc though. That is probably the one thing I have in common with the odious Mr F. He is a right wing mouthpiece. But let's not derail the thread - LF is the father of boys and thinks it's okay to talk about women in misogynistic terms on a national TV station. What he said stands as testament to his repellent views.

Californiabound · 28/09/2023 16:35

hihelenhi · 28/09/2023 15:35

I, a person who has NEVER voted for a right wing party in my life and never will, have the extremely mainstream view that claiming that some women have penises is false and misogynist. I continue to hold my lifelong view that sex matters politically (esp given every right women have had to fight for has been based on it), that & that sacking and hounding women for saying so and them having to crowdfund to raise legal cases in order to get basic UK equality law applied is extremist and sinister. Not to mention the medical scandal in the making.

Sadly, GB news is one of the very few channels that will even permit that view or discuss those facts. Which I and many other left wing women knew about YEARS before they did, or any other RW outlet for that matter.

Unfortunately it seems you can "stomach" that. Pat yourself on the back, how righteous you must be. Tbh, rather than GBN, I'd rather other news channels returned to the view that discussion of contentious issues in public was a positive thing instead of just ignoring whatever was inconvenient for whatever non-democratic lobby group it decides to have training it, or for pandering to people who have tantrums and meltdowns if someone says something they even mildly disagree with.

And then perhaps we can start reducing this ridiculous polarisation that the likes of the odious Fox lap up for attention.

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I agree, there used to be great roundtable discussions on TV when I was growing up, where no one (mostly) flounced or screamed or threw toys out of prams. I loved it, knowledgeable people explaining their own viewpoints. Doesn't even happen that much on the Internet now tbh, just endless podcasts of like minded people reinforcing each others views and slapping each other on the back. Everything is basic as fuck, hardly any grown up proper discussion, people trying to get gotchas and soundbites.

BIossomtoes · 28/09/2023 16:48

Unfortunately it seems you can "stomach" that. Pat yourself on the back, how righteous you must be.

Unnecessary insult. Couldn’t you just disagree with me in a civilised fashion? I can’t stomach far right views or their proponents and I refuse to apologise for that. Nor do I pat myself on the back for having left wing leanings and not being obsessed with gender identity.

cittigirl · 28/09/2023 16:51

I've never liked him, he's an @rse

SinnerBoy · 28/09/2023 17:13

LadyWithLapdog · Today 14:00

i haven’t had dysentery either, but I can still have an opinion.

Very true and we can form opinions by listening to others. I read reviews of GBeebies early on and thought it sounded rubbish. I've watched a few of their programmes - linked online here and in other fora - and mostly think that they're crap.

BTW, I've had amoebic dysentery and it was most definitely something to avoid!

hihelenhi · 28/09/2023 17:25

You seem quite happy to dish out unnecessary insults yourself BIossomtoes. You made a comment I found insulting and factually incorrect, I disagreed with you. This works both ways, I'm afraid. Perhaps my feelings and views in a democracy matter as much as yours do, even though you've decided they're worthless and can't possibly be "stomached". That was your word, not mine. Your implication was very clear. And unnecessary.

Which goes back to my point of wishing that we could step back from this ridiculous polarisation and have grown up discussions on TV again.

Tinklyheadtilt · 28/09/2023 17:48

GB News should be shut down and Lawrence Fox arrested

Coveescapee · 28/09/2023 17:54

Yes good luck with that @hihelenhi These people are deranged and unable to have an intelligent discussion but resort to chucking around terms like "far right." As @Californiabound says the standard of debate used to be much higher including on the BBC with opposing sides trying to find out how the other thought without resorting to insults. Very depressing.

Coveescapee · 28/09/2023 17:56

And along comes @Tinklyheadtilt to make my point.

RafaistheKingofClay · 28/09/2023 18:09

Coveescapee · 28/09/2023 12:10

Nope, I didn't say its beating bbc, I said their figures are declining. They are beating sky news. IMHO BBC figures are only so high because they were historically a trusted news source (eg in the 80s when I was a child), they would not be high if they were just staying out like GB News. Not any more.

And why does GBN having a dubious person such as LF make them for the hard of thinking and not the BBC who had Jimmy Savile and others on for years and indeed created him. I would argue he was worse than Fox, so you disagree? Unlike the BBC they acted rapidly.

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No, it’s not beating sky news either. It’s the third most popular new channel behind BBC news and sky news (and sky sports news if you count that).

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/09/2023 18:11

Coveescapee · 28/09/2023 17:54

Yes good luck with that @hihelenhi These people are deranged and unable to have an intelligent discussion but resort to chucking around terms like "far right." As @Californiabound says the standard of debate used to be much higher including on the BBC with opposing sides trying to find out how the other thought without resorting to insults. Very depressing.

How would you know, you don't watch the BBC? The BBC manage to conduct discussions with a wide range of opinions, on a daily basis without anyone resorting to insults.ConfusedConfusedConfused

Coveescapee · 28/09/2023 18:17

Because that's one of the reasons I stopped watching the BBC in 2022, because of the low standard of debate and narrowness of views. I doubt its changed.

Californiabound · 28/09/2023 18:22

I think the best way forward is to listen to people. I don't write people off based on reputation, actually listen to what they say and trust yourself enough to discard it if it's nonsense. I have actually listened to Fox, and I think he is a reactionary imbecile, obviously on some downward spiral. Some people would say you should never listen to J K Rowling because she is a bigot, or kellie-jay or Helen Joyce. All perfectly legitimate people.

So sick of people being smeared because they go against the prevailing media obsession. Just have a bit of discernment.

BIossomtoes · 28/09/2023 18:22

hihelenhi · 28/09/2023 17:25

You seem quite happy to dish out unnecessary insults yourself BIossomtoes. You made a comment I found insulting and factually incorrect, I disagreed with you. This works both ways, I'm afraid. Perhaps my feelings and views in a democracy matter as much as yours do, even though you've decided they're worthless and can't possibly be "stomached". That was your word, not mine. Your implication was very clear. And unnecessary.

Which goes back to my point of wishing that we could step back from this ridiculous polarisation and have grown up discussions on TV again.

You found a difference of opinion insulting? I don’t think - and never said or implied - your views are worthless. We’re both entitled to think exactly what we want.

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/09/2023 18:27

Coveescapee · 28/09/2023 18:17

Because that's one of the reasons I stopped watching the BBC in 2022, because of the low standard of debate and narrowness of views. I doubt its changed.

What debates that descended into insults on the BBC in 2022 put you off?