American Bully XL to be banned by end of year

[SunshineHello]

Rishi Sunak has just announced these dogs are to be banned.

Good riddance - who needs a big aggressive dog like that? It’s hardly a family pet.

I do however suspect the ven diagram of ‘people that own an American Bully XL’ and ‘people who will be interested in following this law’ may have a limited overlap however.

good riddance

As been said, thank goodness for that. It's about time. I've seen a 'don't ban XL bully dogs' page on Facebook this week with 10s of thousands of followers supporting it. Pictures of their XL bully rolling around the carpet with them playing, and playing with their 2 year old and 4 year old. 'Oh, but he's just a big friendly fluffy old bear - so soft, so gentle. He's no more likely to attack than a poodle.'

What the fuck?! These clearly not very intelligent obtuse eejits aren't taking into account the fact that when a poodle or a border collie or a chihuahua etc attacks somebody, they're probably likely to have between 10 and 25 stitches and spend a couple of hours in A and E. When one of these monstrous XL bullies attacks anybody, a family has to plan a funeral.

I just find it absolutely outrageous and unbelievable that people cannot see the difference between these type of dogs, and other dogs. They may not attack any more than other dogs, but the attack is often savage, horrendous, and deadly.

Some people are too stupid to function, and should never be left in charge of a gerbil let alone a killer dog, if they believe these dogs are good to have as 'pets...' I do kind of feel really sorry for the dogs though, that they have to be beaten to death in to stop them killing people. But there's no place in normal society for dogs like this. And it's always the same kind of people that have them as well, isn't it?

I seriously question the intelligence of anyone supporting keeping this breed of dog, and not banning it. (And similar breeds!)

Exactly. It doesn’t really seem like anything to celebrate as I doubt the problem would go away

Tiktok is ‘interesting’ at the moment. Breeders and owners, that all sound thick, giving out their own special ‘legal advice’ to each other and telling each other not to let ‘the pigs’ in their house or sign any ‘papers’. 🤦🏻‍♀️

@AnotherStrongCoffee fucking morons!!!!😡

Which one is the real XL Bully?
The ones I’ve seen have the head shape of top left, but it looks too small, so possibly top R or bottom L? The cropped ears make bottom L more likely.

That’s was to @flamedmoth

Hi flamedmoth - what’s the answer? Which one is the true XLbully?

Omg, you must be in shock after seeing that! Was it an adult?
The sooner these dogs are eradicated the better for me

Sorry, I've just read your update. Absolutely horrific

@WanderingWitches yes it was a man who was attacked. those 2 dogs ripped him to shreds. as ive said, am still shaken up and dont think i could handle passing one in the street with my little one now at all. they all need putting down, shame we cant do the same to the owners tbh

I hate the “there’s no bad dogs just bad owners”

not that’s that is even true and a ridiculous saying.. but even if it was. A badly trained chihuahua is still less of a danger than a badly trained bull breed. Good riddance to them.

Was it unprovoked? It’s just awful.

It's the classification of breed that will be hard. Often the dogs involved are some horrendously leggy variety that even xl bully owners wouldn't identify as an xl bully

In these pictures 8 are kc registered staffies and 7 are xl bullies. The next only has one xl bully, 2 crosses of allowed breeds and the rest are recognised breeds

Staffs are the 6th most popular breed in the UK, there were over 6,000 registered each year (ignoring all the un registered ones) and frequetly tops polls of beloved breeds. They are suspected to be potentially the biggest UK breed if you take into account the unofficial staffs

I wouldn't want to be the one drawing the line.

@SpideyWoman1 yes it was unprovoked, thats the awful thing about it. the guy was just going to check on his very elderly mom and he gets killed by some twats dangerous dogs. im horrified by it and hope i never have to witness the like of that again

I wouldn't be able to, the dangerous dogs act does include dogs who look like the breed. Exemptions can be applied for. To get an exemption you need third party insurance, close to impossible with some types of dogs. Plus proof of breed, paid for by the owner. Interesting Panorama program about this a while ago. Followed owners who had dogs on the banned list. One woman in particular had zero control over her dog. Plus it was much stronger than her. There were more responsible owners. But where would the policing come from to differentiate between the pics above? It should be type of dog. Sunak did mentioned difficulties with these dogs being mongrels.
Something has to be done though.
Seriously though if you want a dog, why go for these breeds/ types? Just rescue a standard pooch, which you can physically pick up or control on a lead if needed.
Spain has mandatory muzzling of dogs over a certain weight if in a public place.

Remote chip readers might be installed on street lighting. If a dog appears without a chip, or has one that doesn't relate to its records, then this is followed up

I'm afraid this doesn't work. The devices are entirely passive (no battery) and even the most powerful readers struggle at more than 20cms away.

And unless someone was constantly watching which dogs passed, you couldn't match chip (or absence of chip) to the dog - as you couldn't know a dog was there or what it was meant to look like

Interesting article in The Telegraph today saying that genealogy research shows that half of all XL bullys in the UK are descended from the same inbred dog.

Assuming these are then being bred with each other you end up with a huge pool of unstable dogs.

That’s horrendous, I’m so sorry you had to witness that.

Exactly.

Someone else mentioned cocker rage above but that’s been eradicated now thanks to careful breeding. Clearly the opposite is happening here and it’s perpetuating.

@Marmite17 just read your post about spain muzzling bigger dogs in public. those 2 dogs who attacked the man yesterday were in the flat so wouldnt be muzzled obviously and then they escaped, so even with a muzzle law, something like this could still happen

thank you@SpideyWoman1

Wow rude!
Apologies for trying to fully inform myself before diving headfirst into a conclusion.
Also pitbulls and XL bully's are not the same
Also I typed in your exact Google search suggestion- the daily mail , daily express and Wikipedia are not exactly reliable sources which are the top 3 that came up, followed closely by a study from Liverpool University stating that breed blaming is not the solution.
Again, I am absolutely not defending these dogs at all, which some people seem to think I am, I'm just trying to show that the problem is larger than 1 specific breed
news.liverpool.ac.uk/2023/08/15/dog-attacks-on-adults-are-rising-but-science-shows-its-wrong-to-blame-breeds/

But with cocker spaniels there was a huge incentive to do the breeding control because they are perceived as family pets. Not sure that incentive is there with XL bullys.

Also for XL bullys the gene pool is so narrow can dangerous traits even be bred out? Essentially they are likely all parents/siblings/cousins of each other.

If the aim was to reduce attacks by specified breeds, yes a success.

But if aim was to reduce attacks, then it's failed miserably, as the number has gone up.

(It's not that different to saying that a medical operation was a complete success. The patient died on the table, but the procedure was impeccable)

I think that the aim should be to reduce attacks.