Government to *finally* look at banning XL bullies

[NoCharnce]

Thank goodness. I cannot believe it has taken so long* to even look at banning these awful creatures (I say that as a dog lover). Looks like the viral footage of an XL mauling two men who were trying to defend an 11 year old girl is the straw that broke the camels back.

Tweet direct from Home Sec: https://x.com/suellabraverman/status/1700924751646982312?s=46&t=QlNZXgFJWDXuxa3K3yo7ag

*policy makers have been captured by the RSPCA/Dog’s Trust etc “it’s not the breed, it’s the owner” dogma

And also, these breeds of dogs are inherently attack/fighting dogs, it's in their genes. It's simply not a case of 'bad owners', it's what they are.

I completely agree. Ownership of a powerful predator is akin to ownership of a weapon. Nobody needs a potentially lethal pet, surely our priority has to be the safety of anyone coming into contact with these animals.

My husband works for the NHS in the community and the number of times he’s visited properties and had an aggressive dog either in the room while he’s trying to assess his patient or throwing itself at the door trying to get to him is terrifying, and it is the reason I won’t consider community work myself.

People should be licensed, trained and regularly monitored if they want to own any dog, and all breeds that could kill a child in a moment of aggression need to be banned. Dogs are unpredictable, even the “nice” ones, hence the ubiquitous interview with the astonished owner of the “gentle giant” after it mauls their toddler.

Yes I'm the same. Mid forties and have had dogs my whole life and used to run a dog walking business so had plenty of interaction with GSDs, Rotts, Malis..

These XL bullies are horrific and are bred purely to scare the shit out of people and be aggressive. No one will convince me otherwise.

The law is clearly an absolute ass that these dogs even exist in this country. Anyone that owns one is a complete pot licker.

There are 160 adverts on gumtree in the uk currently for xl bully puppies. More than there is for Labrador puppies or cockapoo puppies

This.

I'm sick of hearing "it's the deed not the breed".

Fuck off. These dogs are bred to kill. Not to guard, not to protect. They have been (badly) bred to attack and kill. Anything that moves or makes a noise.

Anyone that defends them is as much of a problem as the dogs themselves.

Agreed. Drives me nuts when people want to minimise it as just 'bad owners'.

This is what these dogs do. It is what they are.

Yes, you could say that owners drawn to these kind of dogs may have issues themselves but I doubt that they are so psychopathic that they are anticipating they or their children or anyone else being mauled to death and not caring.

They are likely not that bright or just have a false sense of confidence in their dog and their skills as owners.

90% of the time with fatal dog attacks on owners or their DC you hear the same thing "the dogs seemed gentle and loving, the owner seemed to know what they were doing. Something must have happened to set the dogs off".

And yes, something set the dogs off. Too much noise, too hot, feeling unwell, being over-stimulated, someone touching them in the wrong way, a bee sting, something moving too quickly which triggered them, something something something.

The point being that you could be the best owner in the world but once an attack/fight dog gets triggered to attack, which no owner is ever in control of - people get seriously harmed or killed.

And by then it's too late.

Well what chance do the rest of us have if the owners are psychopathic or simply thick?

We wouldn't let those people own guns. We would say you aren't allowed.

Personally I wish these dogs simply attacked their owners instead of children and others. That is a kind of natural justice

I'm not usually one to advocate for a breed ban but in this case I'd make an exception.

They are monstrously large and strong animals and their numbers are out of control.

Assuming the funds and resources were available, I would introduce laws that current pet XL bullies must be neutered, and that they must also be muzzled in public (and have dog wardens remove any they see in public which aren't). I would fund neutering / spaying for any owners who have intact dogs and bitches. This would mean no-one has to give up a beloved pet because they can't afford it.

I would have any presently in shelters humanely put to sleep - there are too many of them in rescue centres to begin with.

I wouldn't immediately ban the sale of them but any litters currently for sale would need to be neutered / spayed. I would fund free abortive treatments for any currently pregnant bitches. After a period of say 6-9 months I would make the breeding and sale of them illegal and anyone found to be selling puppies or breeding them would have all their dogs confiscated and a heavy fine. I would introduce a mandatory reporting system for veterinary practices for any dogs they see which don't abide by the laws.

It doesn't need to be an overnight ban and a mass putting down of dogs. By introducing immediate mitigating laws and a complete ban on breeding and sale over an appropriate time period we could remove the vast majority of these dogs within 10 years without traumatising those who love their pets. I say vast majority as there will always, always be an underground trade in them and it's impossible to stamp out totally.

I'm guessing you didn't fully read my post or have difficulties with comprehension? If your post was aimed at me 😊

What a sensible plan 🙌🏻

@MattyTeddy - wasn't aimed at you. There's always a percentage of people who want to say this is about better education.

It's not. It's about the choice of either a very scary person or a very stupid one. They should not have the choice.

I think the animals need to destroyed. We tried legislating and thought the breeders would stop with the original act. Bully XL is in part bred from banned dogs. I would have them pts.

I think there was also a proposed ban on importing dogs to the UK which needs to be fixed too for this to work long term.

This is absolutely what needs to happen and everyone (that isn't a aggressive dog sympathising moron) should agree.

We can only pray that there is the will and resources to implement it.

I'll never forget the story of poor 10 year old Jack Lis, savaged to death by an xl bully nearly two years ago. TWO YEARS AGO and these bastard dogs are still on a free rein to savage and attack people and a animals.

There aren't many dog breeds that have the drive and strength to kill a 10 year old boy ffs.

The Dogs Trust and other rescue centres that aren't simply destroying any of these types of dog coming into them have got to be held to account to a degree.

If the brainless can't get easy access to guns, then neither should they be allowed easy access to such dangerous types of dog.

Sorry, but can anyone who does not want these animal pts explain how at home, where these attacks also occur, would be addressed?

If you keep the animal alive the issue of safety persists. One mother left her 9 year old with one of these animals for the evening. It mauled him to death.

There absolutely won't be a mass euthanasia programme - it would be mandatory neutering and muzzling, as it was with pit bulls, with the intention of the population dying out. There is also of course always the hope that neutering would calm some of the behaviour of the entire males that seem to be the main issue. There will still be the deaths in the home of people who don't take these dogs outside anyway, and unfortunately it will mostly be the children who suffer.

What it should also be is a zero tolerance approach to any issues, with euthanasia mandated for any attack - even if a muzzled dog can't bite, a dog of that size can still injure people badly and kill other dogs.

Although I always temper this with the fact that I feel very sorry for any rescue people who would be put in this position, I think it should unfortunately become illegal for any rescue to rehome a dog of this type and they should be euthanised.

As others have said, legislation also needs to be flexible enough to include other breeds - Ovcharka, Cane Corso all lined up to be issues too, dogs that very few standard homes can deal with, even though they are magnificent in the right place. Malinois too, although a different ball game there as they are a KC recognised breed with their own place in the UK.

It's not much of a solution if these animals are still in the streets and homes. It's a calculated risk that we all have to take.

If owners recognized the danger in these animals they would muzzle them already. But they don't.

Fuck off. These dogs are bred to kill. Not to guard, not to protect. They have been (badly) bred to attack and kill. Anything that moves or makes a noise.

Anyone that defends them is as much of a problem as the dogs themselves.

Absolutely and the government needs to act fast the numbers being advertised now are shocking.

Anyway they are bred from pit bulls and the kennel club don’t recognise them as a discrete breed. Surely they are already banned, as ‘pit bull types’ are illegal. They (government and police) just need to start saying it.

But presumably if there is a mandatory muzzling order in place, and anything that is out in public without one can be taken and euthanised, then many will comply and the biggest idiots will have their dogs removed?

Can people stop saying it's down to the owner. We don't have gun deaths like American because British people aren't allowed to carry guns. People can't have guns because they can't be trusted to not kill people. And we are all in agreement that this is for the best! UK is considerably safer than countries like America. So people shouldn't be allowed to own these weapon dogs because not everyone can be trusted to be able to control a bully dog.

I worry about my kids when I see these type of dogs around. They need to be banned. I don't care if the owner thinks they are soft or whatever. They are too unpredictable and prone to going mental.

There is a local arsehole owner of one of these dogs who walks it OFF-LEAD.

As soon as I see them in the park when I'm waking my dog, I leave.

It's sounds good but how much enforcement is there about crime now? Not much.

Perhaps it is the only way but these killings at home of children are not covered. They muzzle for the public and then at home? It doesn't protect children who have no choice at all to live with these dogs

Ah, got you 😊

it would be mandatory neutering and muzzling, as it was with pit bulls, with the intention of the population dying out.

That’d be good

Also keep eye on other breeds as you say

It's not even just children at risk from these dogs. Any small/medium dog owner dogs would be at risk with the rise of these xl bully dog population.

Now’t to do with Braverman (who only cares about getting the leadership after Rishi). This is Therese Coffey’s responsibility and she couldn’t give a shit, and certainly won’t do any actual work to sort this out, on account of being bone idle.

Probably just Braverman trying to distract from the shitshow that is the prison service (which IS her responsibility).

I do agree on the timing. It looks like quite a cynical gesture because Suella isn't actually in charge of the law on this.

But the deaths of children at the hands of these creatures is so horrendous. I would not have a something with the power and killer ability of a leopard in my house. But that is what Bully XL owners do. And they expect to walk them in public, unmuzzled, and off the lead.