Government to *finally* look at banning XL bullies

[NoCharnce]

Thank goodness. I cannot believe it has taken so long* to even look at banning these awful creatures (I say that as a dog lover). Looks like the viral footage of an XL mauling two men who were trying to defend an 11 year old girl is the straw that broke the camels back.

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*policy makers have been captured by the RSPCA/Dog’s Trust etc “it’s not the breed, it’s the owner” dogma

@Boudicasbeard because people like the breed? Have you considered that. People don't own a gun and go shooting but they buy gun dogs. People don't have a rat problem. But the ratting dogs. People buy dogs bred for protection yet they don't want protecting? Why because they like them.

It really annoys me that they decide to consider action when several people have been mauled - when it was inevitable.

These dogs are horrid and anyone that chooses to own one is probably horrid too.

Guns are not allowed on account of being such a dangerous weapon, same thing.

Ban the breed, and ban the owner from owning any dog in the future.

We banned pit bulls on a similar basis. Let's just get on with it.

It will be hard to design legislation because the XL bully is not defined as a breed with the KC but it may actually be a good thing. I think you can change the law here to design a provision which probably catches future efforts to design dangerous dogs to be outwith the law.

I didn't get my Jack Russell because I had a rat problem.

I've never taught or encouraged him to hunt rats.

He still hunts rats, mice, squirrels, moles, and anything else small and furry, and is quite happy to expand that to cats and foxes. It's absolutely hardwired into him.

@bonbon2023

A breeder was on the radio today and admitted that he had bred XLs and thought they had good temperaments but some had then gone on to attack. Even he could not tell which ones would and wouldn’t attack. And he has a lot of breed experience.

He also admitted that most of his customers were drug dealer who were looking for a status dog as a weapon.

It is the breed. And it isn’t fair on the dog to keep it in a family home when that is not what they were bred for. It is deeply selfish of people to adopt them as family or status dogs when that is not what they are naturally inclined to do.

Some lions never attack people. Does that mean I should attempt to keep one in my house and become outraged when people tell me it is dangerous?

@ToBrieOrNotToBrieThatIsTheQuestion exactly you didn't have a problem but you liked the breed and got one. I have a yorkie ratting is not wired into her.

@bonbon2023

But you have no proof that it isn’t the breed. All the evidence points to the breed being the problem.

I wouldn’t PTS all XL Bullies but they need to stop breeding them. A breeding ban, mandatory muzzling and sterilisation for all current dogs. I’d also make is mandatory for background checks on anyone who wanted to buy one- just like a gun.

Let the breed die out naturally. There is no longer a need for pit fighting dogs that are naturally inclined to attack other animals.

@bonbon2023 why allow them to continue to exist. Just put them all down now and let that be the end of it.

It's just a dog, and it's the worst possible example of one. Keeping it alive is a total waste of resources.

There was on a local Facebook post, see my previous posts above, a nanny post, plus a picture with a six month old baby.

To update on this the post has been taken down as it was clear that those who posted were not local. However those who liked it were.

@Boudicasbeard I think they need to all be assessed and licensed.

@HalfSpoon why does a dog that's innocent need putting down? Other large dogs can do the same damage how about we kill or large breeds. You sound unhinged

Let me make this even clearer to you: breed genetics are a large part of behaviour.

I didn't have a rat problem.

I didn't teach my dog to go ratting.

He comes from a long line of dogs bred to hunt rats, and he hunts small furry things because it's hardwired.

XL Bully owners might just buy one because they like them. That doesn't mean that the dog isn't going to intimidate people, guard their owners and property, and fight in the right circumstances.

Training and socialisation can only do so much; breed genetics are also very important. No matter how much training I put in, mine is never going to herd sheep, for instance, and nor is an XL Bully. Border Collies on the other hand? They'll make their first attempts at herding when very young, on sheer instinct.

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Would you be happy with a 70 year old owner of an XL Bully walking their dog on a leash?

People like a lot of things that aren’t good for society as a whole: smoking drinking, drink driving, class a drugs.

And we’ve still legislated against those things.

Just because people like something doesn’t make it good and doesn’t mean they have to have unrestricted access to it.

Unfortunately, pit breeds are dual natured by design and can pass aggression tests even after they’ve killed and maimed. Testing isn’t reliable. Time for the breed to go in the most humane way possible.

@bonbon2023 I don't care if it's innocent. I don't want to be sharing public spaces with animals easily able to kill my family when the urge takes it.

Last time I went to the local park there were no innocent wolves or tigers roaming around.

People need to be able to feel safe.

@placemats yes why wouldn't I be. I don't have irrational fear of these dogs. 99% of you haven't even met one but have been brainwashed by the media to believe they are the devil on earth. I've worked with thousands and meet new ones almost every day.

@HalfSpoon dramatic much. Therapy might help you.

Sounds like you have a financial interest then?

@bombastix Agreed. Why would someone defend a breed so much that has a track record of killing other dogs- money.

Exactly. Who loses out if they are banned.

@bombastix yes I do but I don't know how that would change my view on them. I work with all sorts of breeds big and small.

Mmm. You don't say what you do but let's guess. If you are a dog trainer then there's some money in XL bullies and telling their owners they are controllable. Good money.

@bonbon2023 How is the fear irrational? Are you suggesting the media and PPs are lying about their experiences with them? I'm interested in your line of work as you've said you've worked with thousands and meet new ones everyday? You've stated on other threads yesterday that you leave your dogs alone for long periods of time and suggested a shocker collar on another thread. You don't seem to know much about the physicality of these dogs as you believe GS, Rottweiler ect are equally as dangerous.

It's not irrational when they're responsible for over half the human deaths in the UK, despite there only being a few thousand in the country.

I'd say that's a fairly well founded fear myself.

Being scared of all dogs, or all spiders in the UK, or enclosed spaces, would be an irrational fear. Fear of something disproportionately likely to kill you, your child and your dog is not irrational.