Lucy Letby - new thread (part 2)

[anonymousamy]

A thread for anyone who was on the last one and wanted to continue the discussion.

What I cannot wrap my head around is Letby’s seemingly completely normal upbringing. Usually serial killers have displayed some kind of markers by the time they start killing, but AFAIK she literally had none. 100% believe she is guilty BTW - just cannot begin to understand it.

Well yes, but we now know Letby used her status as a nurse to keep private medical information and cyber stalk patients, and was potentially having quite an inappropriate relationship with the married consultant (and getting information from him). Supposing that had come out at work, and nothing else was discovered- surely the notes thing alone would be a sackable offence. So while nobody actually knew about it, we have definitive proof she was engaged in highly problematic behaviours over a period of time that probably encompasses her entire career.

She had one of the best defence lawyers, don't you question indeed why she didn't have any further defence witnesses?

Yes, I do question it.

I very much DO question it.

"In the meantime justice has been served in the way that the law of this country, with one of the best legal systems world wide has allowed. You don't like it, well that's a reflection on you"

You really think so ?

ccrc.gov.uk/news/more-than-one-miscarriage-of-justice-overturned-every-week-this-year/

What's your theory then? That her defence lawyer was part of the conspiracy against LL? If so, why?

@sisterswife

Shipman’s painkiller misuse in his 20s was a red flag. Just like Letby keeping confidential patient info in her house, removing essential breathing tubes from babies to photograph them and being inappropriate with parents etc were red flags. There are similarities in two medical professionals sailing close to the wind with risky behaviours related to their jobs. Shipman attended a drug rehab course, his career unhindered for decades. *
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People (you included)should really, really do the most basic of research before saying things.

You took four paragraphs to cover a drug charge that I already mentioned.

But..but just think that's yout child?

Do you have DC? I presume if you're a parent you think you know your child?

And it would likely go against everything you know, or think you know about your child and if nothing presented in court categorically identified your child as having done something abhorrent you might have doubts?

Or even if you had doubts you might still want to love your child and be there for them

There is nothing at all in LLs parents behaviour that is indicative of them being weird or being of bad characters.

One of the ripplles (people effected but not direct victims) by this case is her parents suffering.And they are suffering enough without all of the unsubstantiated speculation and shifty armchair psychology and possible allegations that MNetters among others are speculating about and projecting on.

YOU think them moving closer to the prison means something sinister or unintelligent bout their character is unfounded and not kind.

We have no evidence to suggest her parents or friends who support her or stupid of lacking in character. But also what character are you on about?

They should be left alone and no judgement made of them. And certainly no judgement that could be made of then which could be used to make a wild, insubstantiatwd opinion about LL and why she made have been a serial killer, if she waa.

Yes you’re right. That’s their child; the most prolific serial killer of children in modern times found guilty in a court of law.

It made me think that had this occurred during 2020, LL may have gone undetected for a longer period of time; deaths could have been attributed to Covid and with the NHS being under so much strain, it may have allowed more opportunities for her to get away with it. Also, I think being a ‘key worker’ and with all the praise Doctors and Nurses received, it would have fuelled her sense of superiority all the more.

That is a very scary thought and you're absolutely right, it would have provided a perfect cover.

It would. That’s terrifying.

It’s a good job she was in remand by then as it doesn’t bear thinking about how much worse it could have been 😩

I could not agree more. This thread has made me realise that many people do not recognise loving parents when they see them; have not received or are incapable of giving unconditional love; are so filled with hatred and righteous indignation that they are completely lacking in empathy; and of course are the usual boot boys and girls who can't resist kicking someone when they are down.

It just worries me that some of them are parents.

TheAloe

if you love unconditionally, then you’re not putting any type of conditions on that love.

if you put conditions on the love then it’s not unconditional love

Yes I do, comparatively we have a strong legal system, one of the best in the world.

Miscarriages of justice have tended to occur in evidence gathering and policing which have subsequently led to changes in evidence gathering and policing not changes in the legal system.

The most famous miscarriages of justice arose prior to pace and were to do with wrongfully obtained confessions, this does not apply to this case.

I'll ask again have you listened to the legal advice given by the judge prior to the jury deliberations?

LL did not confess, there was a fair defence. There is zero evidence that a miscarriage of justice has taken place.

Has anyone listened to todays podcast? There is parents on there who had a prem baby on the ward. They talked about LL. I wouldn't describe it as chilling but it was bloody scary.

I'm happy to share details here but don't want to spoil it for those following who haven't listened yet.

Needless to say it opened up some serious questions about there never being anything odd in her personality spotted.

They just sound like loving parents who need to come to terms with the fact their only child will spend the rest of her life behind bars.

Unless any of us are in their situation I think it's unfair to judge.

I'd find it really hard to ever accept my ds could do what she's done. Even if found guilty. Parental love doesn't have an off switch.

Absolutely.

I've worked with 2 males that have later gone on to be convicted of crimes I'd never in a million years predict they'd commit. Both on their personalities I experienced and on the jobs I shared with them.

1. A lifeguard. Convicted of kidnap, torture and murder.

1. Children's club leader. Convicted of owning child porn.

But I believe both are guilty as found by the courts. The murder in particular was horrific. So bad there was a media blackout for some information.

Apparently it does for some people. Very sad for their children.

They are also on Apple Podcasts. The trial of LL.

Without veering off topic too much, lockdown and restrictions were awful in NICU. Only one parent was allowed in at a time, and some had to go 14 days without seeing their babies if they tested positive at one point. Although breaks are encouraged, it's unusual to not have parents there at least for large chunks of the day. As during the trial there were accounts of LL telling mums to go back to their recovery wards and relax for a bit not long before collapses sadly I agree would have been exploited I'm sure.

When a very well respected and successful defence barrister can only find a plumber for the defence ......

Being found guilty doesn't mean you had a bad defence lawyer.

Otherwise every single guilty person could be quoted as innocent and just having a bad defence!

You sweat under oath to tell the truth. He couldn't ask people to come and lie about the evidence to fit a narrative she's innocent.

I don't think out justice system is the problem. I think it's people understanding it.

Doesn't bare thinking about.

You sweat under oath to tell the truth. He couldn't ask people to come and lie about the evidence to fit a narrative she's innocent.

There was no evidence.

None at all.

Ha ha ha, no.

The evidence was there, that you choose to prefer that a baby killer, the worse serial baby killer in the history of the UK is innocent says a lot about you.