Lucy Letby - new thread

[anonymousamy]

No idea why the last one was taken down, but for anyone who wants to continue the discussion on Letby, I’m starting a new thread here.

I’m 100% sure she’s guilty, but I’m still massively struggling to comprehend why on earth she did it.

Nicu nurse here. PM is only done if parents give consent in most cases. It's something I absolutely hate asking them about with end of life care

What a shame the other thread was taken down. There weren't some good links in it, esp one that beautifully summerissed all the issues that had gone wrong. Something about cognitive bias, group think etc.

She was a neonatal natal nurse who had done further training called qualified in specialty.. this gives you the skill set to take care of the sickest babies

@Babyroobs @skinnytobe.. One parent at least did ask for police and stuff and they were banked off.

@skinnytobe wouldn't you be suspicious if suddenly lots of babies were dying. If you didn't suspect murder at the very least incompetency surely?

Absolutely. And I have raised concerns about certain members of our team. One has undergone further training the other has been redeployed, no deaths had occurred though.

Just come to this thread and my totally layman opinion is her pathology is more stalker than psycho. I think she was in a very unstable relationship with a much older married consultant and killing babies was just a vehicle to get him in the same room with her, a reason to spend time with him and get her noticed. As others have said I don't think she got her enjoyment out of the killing and maybe even felt bad that she "had" to do it (although probably convinced herself it was for the best) but it was all about her hospital romance drama. She also showed stalker like tendancies with the parents of the babies.

As for leaving the evidence, I do wonder if she even remembered writing those postit notes, almost seems like stream of consciousness automatic writing that she needed to get out of her system and then maybe totally forgot she'd written that down in a highly charged emotional state, I also wonder if she kept all the nurse handover sheets to see if anyone else was on duty at all the murders/assaults and maybe she could finger point? Her crying when her love interest was on the stand shows she's capable of having emotions (albeit completely self centered ones).

I think she'll probably try to appeal, I can't see her ever admitting she did it either, it doesn't suit her ego she's probably enjoying that a few people (including her parents) are still protesting her innocence and at least for them she can still play the persecuted heroine in her head canon.

As I said this is all my daft speculation trying to make sense of it all which could be totally wrong.

My thoughts are with the families, I can't even imagine what they're going through, I hope they have some closure from her full life imprisonment.

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Much appreciated,

Someone on a previous thread posted a link about covert/vulnerable narcissism. I'd never heard of it before so googled it - there was an article on Healthline and I felt like that probably profiles LL exactly - from what we've heard and even things like the post-it note.

I can't get it out of my head today. I've been listening to the podcast and following the news.

Having had a baby recently'ish - and thinking about all the people I have to entrust her with, I keep thinking how can I protect her from someone like LL. Yes we know that people don't walk around with 'murderer' on their head - but people with steady jobs, active social lives, with long time friends, who go to Ibiza and attend hen does, and have loads of friends to call upon when they're moving house - they aren't the people we are wary of. Usually with cases like this you get side line reports e.g. they had a criminal record for theft, arson, hurting animals, were expelled/suspended from school, had previous convictions of domestic violence, they moved around lot, didn't have many friends, were a bit awkward, and you'd hope if you met someone like that you'd sense something was a bit off about them. But with LL there's nothing in her background, so it's not what she looks like for me - it's her whole profile and I find it utterly terrifying because I can't make sense of it.

So many lives destroyed by LL - not just the families but everyone who worked with her, her friends, her family - how can any of them move past it. Her parents and her friends have all stood by and said she's innocent (prior to the court case and conviction) and I think that tells us more about how dangerous she is - rather than how blind or stupid they were.

I wonder if she kept the evidence as a trophy? Some killers do.

Rose West looked very normal too not evil at all! She looked just like you amd your friends mums, mine anyway in how she dressed, hair etc. They were a fairly normal family it seemed to their neighbours at the time.

It seems that with Arthur and star they were clearly Jeremy Kyle types but intelligent killers are just less likely to get caught, especially sex offenders or serial killers.

I think its nonsense to say neonates makes it less horrifying but it made it easier not to get caught.

Also on motive the most convincing I've heard is a mix of overbearing parents so knowing her own story, maybe insecurity and also spoilt, only child, affair wanted with much older man and possibly jealousy of the couples and siblings? But maybe it was just a rush and not really explainable, not the same but how much of what you do has a fully planned motive? Using many different methods doesn't seem very planned but then special dates does so ?

That's true, there's also a market for the items,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murderabilia

@Solonge nowhere has it been said she has any hint of psychosis, no delusional behaviour seen, no detachment from reality, but psychopathy has. Not that psychopathic is a diagnosis, maybe aspd. But she has no markers, you might say only the lower and under class are likely to be diagnosed though and her parents are very unlikely to give any details that might indicate this from childhood.

I wasnt going to post but named changed. I looked at her picture ages back and thought yeah she could have done this. You know why because I'm not a white middle class educated Woman. I don't see her like most of you do. I just see a woman who has been found guilty of something terrible.
I think for some of you it's like holding a mirror up to yourselves and realising someone who looks a bit like you or your friend/daughter/sister etc is capable of doing something like this.
If it was a Black or Asian or maybe a Male nurse I think there wouldn't be all this "She looks so normal" trope on here. Be honest with yourselves some of you can't believe it because she looks middle class and pretty like lots of you.

What role did racism play? I’ve not been following that closely but I’ve seen a bit of coverage recently and not heard anything about racism.

That’s frankly untrue. Serial killers very often have motives that can be easily understood, or extremely traumatic upbringings, or a lifetime of warning signs and concerning behaviour.

only 5% of prison population is female. most women in prison are not there for violent crimes at all. I think only 15% have committed violent crimes. mostly women are imprisoned for theft/fraud/financial crimes etc...most women have sentences under 6 months

It's partly classism and reverse racism but mostly about the career and speciality she chose that makes it unbelievable to some I think.

On the Lucia case interesting that 2 cases were thought to be poison were not, maybe confusing with the insulin cases although they survived.

Stats wise I would also like to see on the chart % hrs normally worked, for me eg if everyone else works 1 shift a week and her 10 as the only ft staff then her being there every time is less solid. But it seems much more precise than that with nights then days etc so not convincing for any appeal I wouldn't think.

Drama and grief were byproducts, I think. Serial killers enjoy killing. That's all there is to it.

The thread (thread 3 that I was on) has been deleted! Not sure what happened exactly.

@StoptheworldIwantogetoff I name changed too and completely agree with you. From the start when we got a glimpse of the story I always thought there something odd about her especially in her eyes and a very uncomfortable vibe. I am not a white/middle class woman either and I always thought it was odd that the news has been spinning how normal she looks. No she doesn't look normal at all. She looks evil.

You may be right but Philip zimbardo would disagree with your analysis

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Zimbardo

Rose West is no longer at HMP Low Newton. She's at HMP Newhall.