Lucy Letby - new thread

[anonymousamy]

No idea why the last one was taken down, but for anyone who wants to continue the discussion on Letby, I’m starting a new thread here.

I’m 100% sure she’s guilty, but I’m still massively struggling to comprehend why on earth she did it.

I agree. I feel deeply sorry for her parents, they were clearly so proud of her. Now they have to face up to the fact they will never see their only child again outside of prison walls. Never go out for a meal, never have a cup of tea in front of the telly, never see her get married, never have grandchildren.

Honestly their ‘parenting crimes’ of being a little too suffocating really isn’t worth mentioning, there are thousands of parents out there starving their DC, or beating them or having them removed to the care system. I’m sure if, God forbid, any of our DC ended up committing a crime and the public were analysing our parenting there would be something that they could seize upon as a ‘precursor to what happened’. Whether that’s spoiling them a bit, not spoiling them enough, parents getting divorced, growing up in a rough area, growing up cosseted in a rich area, parents too involved, parents not involved enough.

😂 that’s a lot of reaches and guesses. Also it’s very normal for 20 somethings to work on their career and be ambitious. Nowadays loads of people are forced to live at home and plenty people have crushes on married colleagues. Jeez. Also smaller unit less scrutiny? Erm no that’s not the case. Massive busy unit with loads of staff would be far more likely to hide in

What did Letby say about her parents, a poster has said she has said she felt suffocated by them?

@bellac11

Yep and that they wouldn’t want her to move to New Zealand to nurse because they weren’t even happy she was in Chester. She felt suffocated and guilty, who knows, perhaps prison will be a fucking relief for her. I mean that’s one way to sort the suffocation problem out.

I rather think by saying ‘take me, I did it’, she was tacitly admitting that her daughter had done it.

I can understand a mother being in denial about her child’s crimes. But I don’t think a mother would falsely confess to crimes that there was just no way she could have committed, no matter how shocked she was.

Is there a reference to it, where did she say it, to an assessor of some sort while on remand?

And this is why she needs to never be released, I can imagine her moving to another country, blending in and starting her campaign of terror again.

@bellac11

It was on a text message to her friend.

She said it to a friend, who told the press.

I asked whether Letby felt stifled by her parents' babifying of her and gave the example of going to the meeting with senior management, like entitled parents of challenging school pupils demanding to see the headmaster.

I actually do think this is worth mentioning because they challenged the consultants for daring to question their precious dd's professional conduct as if she was above those things.

This will have made others think twice about voicing concerns.

Thanks-am still confused as the neonatal deaths for each unit are published and were available before the trial started-there was never more than 8 in one year that I remember seeing. I believe there were more though, just wonder why they weren't officially recorded. What about 2015 as well?

I mean she certainly created a boundary between her and her parents. Could have thought of better ways though 🤦‍♀️.

The human psyche is bizarre because you'd think someone who could kill tiny babies and brazen out the aftermath wouldn't have an issue saying "Mum, Dad I'm off to work in NZ for a bit because I feel like it. You'll get over it. Bye!"

She loves her parents. She couldn’t give a shit about the babies. It’s not difficult to understand.

@xsquared

Yes, this is why they sound unpleasant. Sounded like little Lucy couldn’t ever do anything wrong and it was Daddy to the rescue. Brass neck going above consultants when you’re not a clinician yourself and only have your daughters word. They’re definitely that type of parent who storms into a school demanding to see a head teacher because a teacher told their perfect little offspring off.

Are you thinking of calendar years? The 13 baby deaths would have been split between 2015 and 2016.

What makes you think she loves them?

The comment about her parents being “suffocating” was made in one text message to a colleague. It was nothing more than a passing remark, I’m sure I have said much worse things about my own parents (who I love very much) to my friends over the years.

The press have really latched on to it but from what I’ve seen of the evidence there is really nothing more to it than that.

I think she was pathologically tied to them hence why she said she “always felt guilty”, which is actually a huge red flag for personality disordered parents. Most adult children who have parents with narcissism exist in a state of FOG. Fear, obligation and guilt. What she said, whilst brief, was a big red flag. She may have loved them, she may not have, but they definitely influenced her life enough for her to feel suffocated by them.

@bluegreenandcoral

Bold statement to make when we are all just speculating. She said she felt very guilty all of the time. Total red flag.

She might do, she might not. She might just say what she says about them as a manipulation technique to the person she is talking to!

It was revealed on Panorama that there were 13 deaths in Lucy Letby's last year on the unit. We knew previously that there were eight deaths in 2015 and five deaths in 2016. But now we know they all happened within a 12 month period and Lucy Letby was on duty for all of them.

Well we won’t know. But I do think her mothers wording was very, very “off” even if she was shocked.

“I did it, take me” is practically a confession anyway. I mean she herself clearly though her daughter did it.

In what context was she saying she felt guilty?

As a permanent state of being or was she talking about a specific thing or situation?

I agree. I think she was desperate, devastated and wasn’t thinking straight.

Not that you get the choice, but I would rather spend the rest of my life in prison than see my own child convicted of child murder and given a whole life order.