Lucy Letby - new thread

[anonymousamy]

No idea why the last one was taken down, but for anyone who wants to continue the discussion on Letby, I’m starting a new thread here.

I’m 100% sure she’s guilty, but I’m still massively struggling to comprehend why on earth she did it.

I read somewhere she was infatuated with a married neo dr who would come to the rescue….

maybe possible motive

tragic stuff really 😞

This is totally irrelevant and you've dreamed up a situation where the victims were black and nothing was done. FO with your 'precious whites' rambling. I'm mixed race and stuff like this is so irritating.

@DahliaRedHead

People are saying this quote should be pinned, but immediately I see there are false statements. There was 13 deaths over 2 years, not 1.

You're mistaken.

"There were 13 deaths on the neonatal unit where she worked over a one-year period, which is five times the usual rate, and the nurse was on duty for all of them."

news.sky.com/story/amp/families-of-babies-murdered-by-lucy-letby-vow-to-continue-their-search-for-answers-12942744

@Riiiiighty Precisely!

No need to ‘think it’. Plenty of U.K. reports of specific organisations (they commission these reports themselves too lol) saying exactly that! Plenty and I can name them!

Obviously secondary to the irreparable damage Letby caused those devastated families, but the nursing profession will also suffer by association, as we did after Allitt.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/22/nurses-rocked-core-lucy-letby-murders-fear-impact-public-trust

I will have to make sure my only child doesn't grow up to be a murderer then, according to this thread🙄

I think you are saying race in the killing of the actual babies. yes, that would be correct but race here (LL’s, not babies’s) is being mainly used here to highlight why they took long to act and why these ridiculous threads on people unable to understand why ‘one of them lol’ did this.

sorry if you guys are losing sleep on the why they took soooooo long to act, which I fully sympathise with, because, yes, she looks like you. In fact, all you struggling with this point would have behaved like the managers lol You should volunteer to give evidence on behalf of the manager! So laughable if it wasn’t tragic!

@MavisMcMinty Well, yes. It's why I'm asking about record keeping, since I wonder if there are actions and interactions that are not recorded and also if patient's handover notes should be able to go missing without anyone noticing. I am not saying nurses are not to be trusted, I think this case is a terrible anomaly. But as a person who may use the NHS, or have loved ones who may do so, I would like to know which procedures are insufficient to prevent someone like Letby, and what the NHS will do about that.

These LL threads seem to take ridiculous turns now.

Ffs. Why are people making this about race? None of what happened has anything to do with race. Go and peddle this nonsense elsewhere

Well I'm one too so I obviously need to watch myself.

I was responding to someone who actually said the babies were ethnic minority.

don’t have a clue what else you are going on about or who you are aiming it at but ok then

What an absolutely disgusting comment.

Don’t be surprised! Once the pol!ce identifies a suspect- what follows is natural to them and they will do it well, like they have done here! The more complex the suspect, the more specialist the pol!ice personnel are involved. Or once they are ‘handed a suspect’ which is why the managers refused to involve the pol!ce. Pathetic, the lot of them!

There are official notes/patient records, often electronic these days, although inpatient stays still generate a lot of paper. Handover sheets are for nurses coming on duty, a list of the patients in a bay usually, to which nurses can add notes on their condition, upcoming procedures, discharge plans, etc., maybe with reminder notes added by the nurse as the shift goes on to help them remember what need to be mentioned in the medical/nursing notes when they come to be written, and should be destroyed at the end of the shift - they are confidential documents.

While I expect there’s barely a nurse alive who hasn’t occasionally got home to find a handover sheet in their pocket, having over 250 of them in your own home is absolutely not the norm and absolutely against hospital policy. We weren’t even supposed to wear our uniforms outside the hospital grounds, Letby went home wearing her scrubs.

Riiightyho.

They are handover notes. Not patients notes. They are an brief overview of the patients in each bed on the ward at the time of handover, it is completely separate to patient notes, everything pertaining to a particular patient will still be recorded in their notes. Nurses will be allocated their patients but will still need an overview of everyone on the ward - the handover sheet is outdated by the time it gets to the end of that shift and therefore they are shredded. There will never be anything confidential on there, it'll be very basic information.

The handovers are typed and probably are saved on a daily basis.

Also RW had been severely physically and sexually abused by her father growing up. Her mum had ECT while pregnant with her. She had no concept of normal relationships.
im not excusing her but her experience of life was sharply different to the easy, middle class life of LL

Think you’re a year out with your timeline - her last attack was June 2016
Yes, she worked her last neonatal shift on the 30th June 2016 and was finally removed from the unit in July that year (they were doing clinical supervision of her but didn't have enough staff). She then went to Ptient experience on July 19th and on August 9th 2016 went to Risk and Patient safety, oh the irony. She was only meant to be doing 3 months there originally so up to November 9th 2016. Union involvement was from the September though so the question was whether she remained in admin/where she worked up until her suspension in 2018. The only error in my timeline I can see is that she was due back on the wards March 2017 and not May.
But happy to be corrected if you have a different source *@MavisMcMinty
How did Lucy Letby get caught? Full timeline of police investigation | UK News | Metro News
On July 19, Letby started an administrative post in the hospital’s Patient Experience Team.
On August 9, another group email to neonatal staff informed them that job secondment opportunities were available and stated Letby was spending three months in the Risk and Patient Safety Office.

"You're right, of course. But I'd go one step further and say this would be even more horrific if the babies were not newborns/premature

Because they're largely quite spaced out and unaware of stuff going on around them. A chubby baby sat up giving smiles or a string of toddlers, 3/5/10 year old would be even more horrific

And there's a reason for that, as horrific as it is to point out"

😡 can't believe this poster actually thought and wrote this out!!! So the parents really then shouldn't be that devastated!!!

@DaphneDeloresMoreheadRidesOn

How do you know LL wasn’t sexually abused by her father though? I am still amazed people are fooled by such outward MC upbringing’s. We have no idea really what was endured in her formative years. Who fucking knows. We can’t just assume it was all normal though.