Lucy Letby - new thread

[anonymousamy]

No idea why the last one was taken down, but for anyone who wants to continue the discussion on Letby, I’m starting a new thread here.

I’m 100% sure she’s guilty, but I’m still massively struggling to comprehend why on earth she did it.

That s true they just referred to senior manager's .

However, there were 7 consultants who complained against her, and none were taken seriously.

My thoughts entirely.

The gang of 4 that she accused of bullying her, 2 are white males, 1 has remained anonymous but I think is a female and 1 Asian man I don't think race played any part in them been ignored. Just simple negligence.

Please explain why Dr Brierley who is white was also treated with the same disrespect

Personally think that any additional disrespect towards Dr J [if there was any at all] was more likely to be due to him being a TV doc who many in healthcare will be snarky about

Are the consultants who raised the alarm and forced to write letters of apology taking any sort of legal action against her parents or senior management? I think they should.

I wonder whether LL felt stifled by her parents babifying her. Was it by her insistence that they attend the meetings with senior managers or did they demand to be there themselves? It reminds me of pupils with challenging behaviour whose parents charge into school to see the headteacher to complain of teachers bullying theor child who could do no wrong.

@Riiiiighty

3.Yes, race was the key factor why it went on for too long.

Evidence?

Thanks @SemperIdem and @Hawkins009 i didn’t mean where she literally was just whether she’s watching this case with the same horror and disgust through fresh eyes or whether she’s still as evil.

I don't know wether there was an element. Of racism ,all.i.can say is that ime,consultants. Regardless of their ethnicity are generally more revered,than a nurse particularly fairly low ranking nurse
Maybe the bosses were trying to change how nursing staff were treated x but I stiil.can't understand why they didn't take such serious concerns seriously.

@Riiiiighty it is by no means certain that she will ever become a patient of "world-renowned" mental health professionals, or any such professionals at all. Not sure why you think that. If she seeks help for MH problems while in prison, or is sectioned and transferred to a psychiatric hospital at any stage she will be seen by NHS mental health professionals, sure. Who knows if that will happen.

@xsquared

Yes and usually their kid is the worst behaved out the lot, totally indulged and totally narcissistic.

Dr Jayaram is non white. It's easy to see how this might have influenced the process.

I don't understand all the comments about race - maybe I'm ill-informed but I wasn't of the mind that race came into things at all? What has it got to do with race or discrimination? Where is the evidence that any action or inaction was racially motivated? Can posters who are claiming this post links to evidence? Otherwise it just looks like a knee-jerk statement

I have heard people bringing up racism. As in the children or some of the children may not have had 'British' names. Because this was used by the prosecution again LL. she couldn't spell one name when asked.

@x2boys

You did MH nursing right? I mean yeah the psychiatrist is still the god of the ward for sure but it may be different in other aspects of nursing.

@Tapasita if LL wasn't a typical white middle class English rose things would have panned out differently. It's the human nature to be suspicious of those that aren't like you that don't look like you.

@Elvera2

Wow. Ok. I didn't realise that. That puts a totally new spin on potential motive I guess 😥How awful

Where is the evidence that any action or inaction was racially motivated?

Do you think evidence of racism is something that can just be pulled out of an envelope or something?

The last thread was very biased towards her being guilty, with anyone who kept an open mind being the devil incarnate. Before her trial. She was guilty but we have a justice system.
This is a very separate issue, but we can't allow trial by social media, Justice Goss was right to be cross at The Beast for publishing info before the trial.
Imo there should be no coverage, at all, of people accused of a crime until a fair trial has taken place and they are found guilty.
Doesn't stop random u tubers, twitter, Reddit, Mumsnet of convicting, not legally but in the public eye, sometimes innocent people who's lives are then destroyed.

The NHS even when you receive care, if you are a typical white middle class person you get listened to more as opposed to a patient from a different ethnic background and class.

We have absolutely no idea how things would’ve panned out in an alternative universe. They might, they might not, nobody knows.

Just a thought, but why was Lucy alone with these babies, surely other nurses would be on the ward with other infants at the same time?

Where I work is a Disability Home for adults and there is always staff including me around, no one is alone enough to commit a crime; so why was she alone?!

Yes, the prosecution made the point that LL could only make Facebook searches for the parents of at least one baby who she attacked because she had stolen documentation with the names printed on.

So she didn't do this randomly - it was thought out.

"
I wonder whether LL felt stifled by her parents babifying her".

She said she did.

People keep saying her upbringing was normal. This level of intense overprotectiveness with a hint of histrionics from her parents (the dad's involvement in her work, her mother and the 'It's not true! take me!') is not remotely normal, even for most only children (I say that because I am one).

I have another friend, also an only child, whose parents did the overprotective thing because they'd lost so many babies prior to her birth. Not overprotective to anywhere near this extent but there were lots of things she had to keep secret from them, ridiculous things they wouldn't let her do (like use matches when she was in her late TEENS) and they 'hovered' with her even as an adult. Still do and she's in her 50s! Totally caring people but it's too much. And it DID impact her and do damage psychologically. Anxiety in her case, but now imagine it being multipled tenfold.

I think there's a deep, deep well of anger in Lucy, hiding behind the "I know how to be a good girl with everyone praising me lovely Lucy" thing.

And affects the validity of the jury's decision

Not sure why the other white doctors are being brought up as well. My angle of racism in regards to this case is all about LL herself, not anyone else. I personally feel if she were a different colour; a bunch of white people (Drs) complaining about her repeatedly, it would have definitely been taken more serious.

Fair enough but Lucy Letby was a band five.nurse no disrespect to band five nurses ,I wss one for years ,but it's quite low down in the hierarchy of the NHS,she had no.power over other staff.