Lucy Letby - new thread

[anonymousamy]

No idea why the last one was taken down, but for anyone who wants to continue the discussion on Letby, I’m starting a new thread here.

I’m 100% sure she’s guilty, but I’m still massively struggling to comprehend why on earth she did it.

No, I didn't. Why not just answer?

I.understand that I have worked with a lot of nurse managers what I can't understand is the failiure to.act ,I know she was high!y trained nurse im.not disputing that but in terms of hospital hierarchy she.wss quite low down the food chain.ime ,those further down the "NHS food chain" generally get treated worse ,not in this case though.

Reasearch showing differences in brains of some psychopaths does not equal a diagnostic test. We diagnose ASPD/psychopathy clinically, not by scans, in clinical practice.

It was important to keep some of this info out of the public arena to ensure a fair trial The judge Goss complained about The Beast publishing these before the trial started.

We don't actually know why no action was taken. It may be race, it may not be. I personally think it was senior nurses protecting a nurse who they stupidly thought was been bullied. But then even that doesn't make total sense as the medical director was also protecting her and he was an orthopaedic surgeon! It's all speculation about why concerns were not taken seriously at this point.

Yes that's very strange ,it wouldn't have been allowed in the NHS trust i.worked for ,if people took.anyone it wss normally a union rep.not their Dad!

@theDudesmummy

You don’t really diagnose anything “clinically”. You formulate from a historical background. It’s a formulation. Nothing more, nothing less. A fancy theory under a clinical disguise. Sketchy “science” all round let’s be honest.

Evil is evil. Nothing more to it.

Absolutely.

@x2boys

Yes it was odd. She had a brass neck though didn’t she? And she was bright. She thought nothing of a grievance against those doctors. The fact she managed to get an apology from these consultants is testament to how manipulative and calculated she was. To have a break from clinical duties and to kill on your first day back is….. arrogance beyond anything I’ve ever encountered. I don’t think she wanted to get caught, and clearly thought she was untouchable.

I didn't say LL was a psychopath, I have no idea if she is. I just said that diagnoses of ASPD/psychopathic traits are not (at the present state of brain science) made by imaging (and yes, you can diagnose conditions clinically). I don't happen to think psychiatry is a "sketchy" science but of course you are entitled to your opinion.

Two more points to make:

1.Her competence being used (by mumsnetters) as justification to take immediate action shows the managers were negligent. No matter how brilliant a person is at their job, you cannot ignore concerns being raised about them. In fact, the only normal thing to start wondering about is that you have a real manipulator on your hands and start to create boundaries with her. Most criminals are intelligent which is why they can think and execute things that defeat systems in place. It's why you involve the Pol!ce immediately as they are specially trained to outwit the criminals otherwise the whole society would all be concerned. Trainings is always geared toward being a step or two ahead of criminals.

Lucy was systematic- she did her nursing degree exactly to do this or at some point during the course or training she decided- she had found her secret place. Even the nice Lucy mask was etched on her face from day one. NONE incompetent and not nice will attempt to do this many times without everyone wanting to deal with them. So she knew what personality to captivate, what relationships she needed etc etc.

2.Motive- (Being asked by MNs) -The world-renowned psychologists, therapists and medical experts of whom she will now be a mandatory 'patient' of theirs whether she likes it or not, will (try to) establish that.Again, this will help the society and the world to prevent another Lucy or a Lucy of some kind. She is rare but tests done on her will help the generations to come. The lives of those babies were not lost in vain.

3.Yes, race was the key factor why it went on for too long.

Anything else I can (try to) help with?

@Efacsen Thank you for the link. I hope you didn't think I was querying your info by typing: 'Really?' I didn't mean tha at all: I was just astonished by the sheer number of cases they authoritieswill need to go through now, but glad they will as it seems prudent.

How unimaginably awful to be a parent either directly involved or to possibly be wondering now. LL has caused SO much harm.

cultivate etc

The consultant on the panorama programme said they spent a year investigating all the.possibilities of why so many babies were dying or close to.dying and kept.coming back to.Lucy Letby,I imagine it's the last thing anyone wants to.think.that a nurse is deliberately harming/ killing babies

@Riiiiighty you are just a randomer on the internet, not sure why you feel there's things you can help with which relate to this case? The professionals involved have the answers ..

Not sure why you got flamed but I absolutely agree with this.

@IfICantHaveYou

Yes I’m struggling to see how that post was helpful 🤦‍♀️. It certainly wasn’t enlightened knowledge.

Stop shouting.

I already apologised for my keyboard. Do keep up or engage the post which is what you really want to do.

Letby is a very traditional English Rose type. Many of the "she really doesn't look the type" comments are consciously or unconsciously influenced by this. Dr Jayaram is non white. It's easy to see how this might have influenced the process.

@x2boys yes it would be. But also the last thing you would think immediately. You would think incompetence. They actually first raised concerns much earlier, I think autumn 2015. I just think the matron would be the first point of contact. The matron of the NICU has never been mentioned and they would be LLs line manager. I find that odd.

There were a lot of factors that led to this tragic case. No doubt race was one of them. Was it the only factor? NO, But it was A big factor. I could never argue with that. Hope Lucy rots in hell.

Black or white I would just think “incompetence”. There’s no way, even with a young black nurse I would think she was killing them on purpose.

Aa a brown person who has faced my share of racism, I initally thought it might be racism because I only saw Dr Jayaram in the news. However, there were 7 consultants who complained against her, and none were taken seriously. So perhaps there's more to it. I can only imagine she was very convincing ( and yes, race sometimes comes into that, but cant say for sure).