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Sara Sharif

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mauvish · 20/08/2023 18:42

Sara, aged 10, was found dead in the family home.

The police "want to speak" with Sara's father and his partner, who flew to Pakistan the day before Sara's body was found, and then phoned (don't know who) from there:

The call led officers to the house in Woking where they found the body of Sara who had sustained "multiple and extensive injuries", likely to have been caused over a sustained period of time.

Another child suffers at the hands of those who should care. I hope they get them back from Pakistan but I wonder what the chances of that are.

RIP, Sara.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-66563430

Sara Sharif

Sara Sharif murder inquiry: Girl known to authorities, council says

Surrey County Council says it is "working tirelessly" to understand what happened to Sara.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-66563430

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Octaviusoctober · 15/10/2024 17:58

@Lindy2 the onus must never ever be placed on the child to get help.

She went in three times in a short space of time with bruises and covered up her head with her veil.

That should have had urgent urgent bells ringing and action taken and the police.

Lindy2 · 15/10/2024 18:02

Octaviusoctober · 15/10/2024 17:58

@Lindy2 the onus must never ever be placed on the child to get help.

She went in three times in a short space of time with bruises and covered up her head with her veil.

That should have had urgent urgent bells ringing and action taken and the police.

No it was absolutely in no way Sara's fault she couldn't ask for help. I just wish she had been able to though. One sentence from her could have led to a very different outcome.

Her teacher and school did report their concerns. They made a referral to Social Services which is why Sara was then removed from school.

Gilmorehill · 15/10/2024 18:05

I wonder if people worry that the person reported to social services will find out or guess it was them. Frankly I wouldn't give two shits but I have worked in education for years and have had to report concerns, sometimes with the certainty the parents will know I am the source.

Octaviusoctober · 15/10/2024 18:48

@Lindy2 .
How would also sentence have given her help when seeing physically bruises didn't?

What if she had said daddy did it then this untrained blundering teacher decided to mention it to him??

Octaviusoctober · 15/10/2024 18:52

@Gilmorehill imagine living next to these beasts... I think anyone would think twice about reporting them.
However apparently one place was flats? I could be wrong but in flats it would be much harder To pin down the reporter.

Living next to these people is aldo horrendous and blundering Plod aren't exactly discreet nor ss. However what something else the neighbours could have done is inform the school.

Anonymous letter even.

Octaviusoctober · 15/10/2024 18:53

@Lindy2 it's too passive and long winded you see someone beaten up in front of you, police

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 15/10/2024 18:55

Lindy2 · 15/10/2024 18:02

No it was absolutely in no way Sara's fault she couldn't ask for help. I just wish she had been able to though. One sentence from her could have led to a very different outcome.

Her teacher and school did report their concerns. They made a referral to Social Services which is why Sara was then removed from school.

So at that point, did the school speak to the police to say a child they had concerns about had been taken out of school or did they just move on?

Octaviusoctober · 15/10/2024 18:55

@DalRiata

I think it goes beyond not wanting or wanting her.
Like Arthur's abusers I think it becomes their addictive hobby, escalation and escalation.

Pigeonqueen · 15/10/2024 18:56

I feel so angry and sad that people didn’t report what they’d heard at the time. I do understand people being scared but come on the child must have been absolutely terrified! I’ve reported my neighbours before for similar things and wanted to do it without them knowing it was me and couldn’t believe it when two police officers (who arrived in a car with the siren blaring!) knocked on my door to get more information! I ushered them in super quickly and said I really don’t want them (neighbours) knowing it was me who rang! They could have just rang me back if they wanted to speak to me again. They then went across the street to the neighbour. I don’t regret reporting it at all, it was the right thing to do, but they need to be more careful about protecting those who do report!

Octaviusoctober · 15/10/2024 18:57

@Pigeonqueen that's beyond disgusting though.

That's why I would report anonymously but strongly.

Octaviusoctober · 15/10/2024 19:00

All teacher in education must get urgent training, re trying to ask a possible perp about bruises. Teachers are are not trained to do that and it's overly reaching the role.

LadyLindaT · 15/10/2024 19:00

All I can see is that this poor little girl was failed by everyone, at every turn.

TiramisuThief · 15/10/2024 19:39

Octaviusoctober · 15/10/2024 19:00

All teacher in education must get urgent training, re trying to ask a possible perp about bruises. Teachers are are not trained to do that and it's overly reaching the role.

Teachers are trained every year on what to do re concerns for a child's welfare. It's mandatory training & will probably have an update part way through the year as well. School staff know very well what to do.

I think the concern here is what happened after school raised the issue with child services and dad off rolled her.

Enigma52 · 15/10/2024 19:39

Womanofcustard · 15/10/2024 17:17

I think they have the death sentence in Pakistan. Fingers crossed….

Yes agree! Hang the murdering scum. Evil doesn't come close!

SeniorMamma · 15/10/2024 19:44

Octaviusoctober · 15/10/2024 18:55

@DalRiata

I think it goes beyond not wanting or wanting her.
Like Arthur's abusers I think it becomes their addictive hobby, escalation and escalation.

Addictive hobby is what I thought as well. I expressed it more harshly but asked for my post to be removed from the other thread. Sadists.

Octaviusoctober · 15/10/2024 19:56

@TiramisuThief at no point is any teacher trained to question the perp.

Gilmorehill · 15/10/2024 19:58

Octaviusoctober · 15/10/2024 19:00

All teacher in education must get urgent training, re trying to ask a possible perp about bruises. Teachers are are not trained to do that and it's overly reaching the role.

Yes they are! You have to do it every year. It's not an easy task, asking a child what happened without asking leading questions etc. The more training you do helps. Or you asked a more experienced colleague to do it.
Safeguarding is a huge issue in education.

Gilmorehill · 15/10/2024 19:59

@TiramisuThief I would also like to know what happened when the dad removed her from school. Surely that raised a red flag?

Octaviusoctober · 15/10/2024 20:01

@Gilmorehill

I'm talking about the "perp" a teacher question the abuser about a bruise and he took her out of shortly after....

Under no circumstances and in no school safe guarding are teachers supposed to start aksing questions of a possibile perpetrator of abuse.
. That's the police role.

rocketgal · 15/10/2024 20:02

Parents shouldnt be allowed to just remove their children from a formal education setting for them not to be seen again. Difficult to police because you're allowed to home school but they should make sure regular home visits are made for safe guarding, the same way this happens in school.

Pulling up her hijab was clearly a cause for concern and sadly I think the cultural element of this case has a part to play.

Jellybeanbag · 15/10/2024 20:02

She was failed by the school. They saw bruises on her and asked how it happened. They said the child's explanations were inconsistent, so they did nothing. How? They have safeguarding training. The onus is not on the child to explain and you accept that as gospel. Sara would have been frightened, scared of the consequences if she told the truth. The teachers should have informed social services of the urgency and told them to attend school. Sara should have been taken to the hospital and checked by a paediatrician, who would have confirmed the injuries were non-accidental. She would have been saved.

The neighbours heard and did nothing. Hearing physical violence and screams. They could have rang the police or reported it to social services. They did nothing.

The sisters of the step mum had messages telling them about Sara being abused. They did nothing.

This will continue to happen unless we speak up.

RIP Sara. I'm so sorry you were failed.

I hope all three rot in prison.

Gilmorehill · 15/10/2024 20:04

@Jellybeanbag I agree with you. I think people who have no experience of dealing with these issues really don't appreciate that it is possible to spot abuse and intervene early to protect children.

Lindy2 · 15/10/2024 20:16

Octaviusoctober · 15/10/2024 20:01

@Gilmorehill

I'm talking about the "perp" a teacher question the abuser about a bruise and he took her out of shortly after....

Under no circumstances and in no school safe guarding are teachers supposed to start aksing questions of a possibile perpetrator of abuse.
. That's the police role.

Actually safeguarding procedures are to talk to the parents about concerns first unless it is thought that doing so would cause immediate danger.

Sara had been a pupil for many years. The teachers might have started to have concerns when they saw bruises but I can understand why they didn't immediately jump to thinking there was such an awful level of abuse that had started to occur. The level of abuse is hard to comprehend even now with hindsight and evidence.

Octaviusoctober · 15/10/2024 20:22

@Lindy2 can you provide a link to support this claim.

3 sets of bruises and a bea hijab, coy behaviour and not able to say where rhe bruises are from? .

But chat to dad??

A designated safe guarding lead should have taken this over

Gilmorehill · 15/10/2024 20:43

@Lindy2 that's not true. Minor issues will be discussed with the parents and if the DSL is satisfied, that will be enough. It will be recorded though. However if a child comes with bruises, school staff will escalate it and ss will speak to the children. I know this from experience.