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Ukraine Invasion: Part 44

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MagicFox · 20/08/2023 12:43

44th thread, all the usual thanks and appreciation

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MissConducUS · 09/09/2023 23:52

I suspect that another reason they are okay with taking a bit more time on the tank refurbs and training is that Ukraine is not fighting with armor forward in the counteroffensive. Tanks are being held back and sniping from a km or two behind the contact line. Small infantry units are probing defenses and doing recon in the front, then calling in tank and artillery fire as targets are identified. They may have an adequate number on hand now for this phase in the fighting.

Regarding the mud, I am no expert, but I have read that it's less of a problem in southern Ukraine than it is in the east. The mud won't stop the counteroffensive. There will be more reliance on lighter vehicles like Humvees that don't have much of a problem traversing it. Humvees can mount 50-caliber machine guns and TOW antitank missiles.

TheABC · 10/09/2023 00:35

If anyone has a plan for mud season, it will be the people who live there.

blueshoes · 10/09/2023 01:17

MissConductUS, appreciate the insight. You are right about the more favourable soil conditions in Southern Ukraine:

https://www.ft.com/content/0560e2fc-d9a9-417c-b5e3-bc279dfb2bb6

FT is behind a paywall so copying extracts below:

Arenosol is a sandy, well-aerated soil which dries quickly. Its presence in a swath of land either side of the strategic south-eastern city of Melitopol is one little-known reason why Kyiv’s counteroffensive may yet have a better chance of success than some of Ukraine’s allies fear.

“It is an example of the importance of local knowledge, the specific situations and context that determine every war,” said Mykola Bielieskov, research fellow at the Kyiv-based National Institute for Strategic Studies.

“Because much of the soil in southern Ukraine remains firm even with rain, Ukrainian troops will still be able to manoeuvre through the winter. Time is not necessarily the limiting factor some people believe,” he added.

Even as some allies have despaired of the campaign’s slow progress, Kyiv’s military chiefs argue that such detailed local awareness is key to its counteroffensive, enabling Ukraine to make small but significant gains while saving troops’ lives. Dmytro Kuleba, foreign minister, last week went so far as to say that critics of the campaign should “shut up”.

The sandier soil of the southern Zaporizhzhia region contrasts with the rich black earth that turns much of the rest of Ukraine into a muddy quagmire during the rainy autumn months.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 10/09/2023 09:53

Article linked:

Why are we not challenging Russia in the Black Sea?

Excellent by @YorukIsik "The Bosphorus Watcher"...best expert on what's happening on the Black Sea and in the Turkish Straits.

https://x.com/generalben/status/1700744498576323063?s=61&t=NaIdJJ_hpeHJ7BCXblc3CMg

DancesWithDucks · 10/09/2023 12:07

Wish we were. I cannot understand the reasoning for giving so slowly, and acting so intimidated.

Maria Drutska gave a figure for the number of Russians in Ukraine - on the conservative side :s

Maria Drutska
AT maria_drutska

Russia has amassed over 420,000 of its troops in Ukraine, says Deputy Chief of the Main Intelligence Directorate Skybitsky: "russia has concentrated more than 420,000 servicemen in our temporarily occupied territories and on the Crimean Peninsula. This does not include the National Guard, other structures, special units, or other security structures of russia which support the occupying power in our territories."

https://twitter.com/maria_drutska

minsmum · 10/09/2023 12:18

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1700794975053619605 Meloni announced at the G20 that Italy is leaving China's belt and road initiative

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1700794975053619605

blueshoes · 10/09/2023 13:32

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 10/09/2023 09:53

Article linked:

Why are we not challenging Russia in the Black Sea?

Excellent by @YorukIsik "The Bosphorus Watcher"...best expert on what's happening on the Black Sea and in the Turkish Straits.

https://x.com/generalben/status/1700744498576323063?s=61&t=NaIdJJ_hpeHJ7BCXblc3CMg

I have to admit I don't fully understand what is happening in the Black Sea and the Bosphorus Strait or why Russia is allowed to run riot and hold the world to ransom there. I presume it is international waters but with a narrow corridor of domestic waters hugging the coastline of countries that border the Black Sea. I believe Zelensky recently declared a humanitarian corridor hugging the western Black Sea coast near Romania and Bulgaria. UK was also reported to be sending UK planes to guard Ukrainian grain ships in Black Sea, presumably sailing along the humanitarian corridor.

From the link, it looks like Ukraine is the only one challenging Russia's fleet in the Black Sea with attacks on Moskva and other RU vessels.

Maybe if efforts to get Russia to get back to the negotiating table for the Ukrainian grain deal fail (how long do we have to wait?), the international community with speak with a louder voice. The Black Sea feels like a missed opportunity there.

blueshoes · 10/09/2023 13:33

minsmum · 10/09/2023 12:18

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1700794975053619605 Meloni announced at the G20 that Italy is leaving China's belt and road initiative

Thank goodness. Italy was a bit of an anomaly there.

minsmum · 10/09/2023 13:41

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1700842690479296904 Latvian and Lithuanian basketball fans unite to sing anti Putin songs

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1700842690479296904

blueshoes · 10/09/2023 13:44

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-9-2023

Key Takeaways:

  • Ukrainian forces made confirmed advances in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and made claimed advances south of Bakhmut on September 9.
  • Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Spokesperson Vadym Skibitskyi reemphasized Ukraine’s right to target critical Russian strategic and military objects in rear areas.
  • Russia’s war in Ukraine is increasingly constraining Russian local and regional politics, with even the minimal pre-war competition suppressed and regional governments increasingly focused on their ability to generate resources for the war.
  • The Kremlin continues to refuse to rejoin the Black Sea Grain Initiative in an attempt to extract maximum concessions from the West and may believe that apparent support or acceptance for its demands from some international actors offers it more leverage in renegotiating the deal.
  • Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, in the western Donetsk-eastern Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia and advanced in some areas on September 9.
  • Russian occupation authorities continue efforts to manufacture a guise of legitimacy and legality around ongoing local elections in occupied regions of Ukraine.

[Interesting. It appears that the recent attack on Kresty air base in Pskov 400 miles from Ukraine was conducted by quadcopter UAVs launched from within Russia.]

Ukraine Invasion: Part 44
DancesWithDucks · 10/09/2023 13:49

Kyiv Independent Telegram

⚡️G20 'consensus' declaration calls for peace, but refuses https://kyivindependent.com/reuters-g20-leaders-adopt-consensus-declaration-announce-no-details/ to condemn Russia’s war in Ukraine.
The Group of 20 summit in New Delhi adopted a "consensus" declaration on Sept. 9 that called on countries not to use force to seize territory but fell short of condemning Russia for its war in Ukraine.

Ukraine's armed forces have made gains south of Klishchiivka in Donetsk Oblast and south of Robotyne in Zaporizhzhia Oblast, the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces reported on Sept. 9. https://kyivindependent.com/general-staff-military-reports-success-near-robotyne-klishchiivka/

⚡️Military: Russia's illegal Crimean bridge https://kyivindependent.com/military-russias-illegal-crimean-bridge-unable-to-function-normally/ still unable to function normally. Speaking on television, Humeniuk predicted that Russian forces won't be able to restore the bridge after a July explosion damaged the bridge because "the damage is quite significant and threats are inevitable."

⚡️Top US General: Ukraine has about 30-45 days for the offensive https://kyivindependent.com/top-us-general-ukraine-has-about-30-to-45-days-for-the-offensive-before-weather-worsens/ before weather worsens.
Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley said on Sept. 10 that Ukraine likely has about 30 to 45 days for the counteroffensive before the weather worsens on the ground

⚡️South Korea pledges https://kyivindependent.com/south-korea-pledges-2-3-billion-in-aid-for-ukraine/ $2.3 billion in aid for Ukraine.
South Korea will provide the first $300 million as humanitarian aid in 2024, and the rest will be given to Ukraine as long-term, low-interest loans through the country's aid fund, Economic Development Cooperation Fund (EDCF), according to Yonhap.

⚡️Defense minister wants to introduce military ombudsman https://kyivindependent.com/defense-minister-wants-to-introduce-military-ombudsman-position/ position.
Newly-appointed Defense Minister Rustem Umerov said on Sept. 9 that he plans to introduce a new position of military ombudsman who would "deal with the military needs of our soldiers."

⚡️Fire reported https://kyivindependent.com/fire-reported-at-russian-military-unit-in-occupied-simferopol/ at Russian military unit in occupied Simferopol. According to the "Chp Simferopol" Telegram channel, explosions were heard prior to the fire.

⚡️Russian Ministry of Defense claims 8 drones shot down near Crimea during early hours on Sept. 10.

⚡️National Resistance Center: Partisans blow up car protecting https://kyivindependent.com/national-resistance-center-partisans-blow-up-russian-army-car-in-nova-kakhovka/ sham elections in occupied areas.
Ukrainian partisans killed one Russian soldier and injured two by blowing up a car in Nova Kakhovka, Kherson Oblast, on Sept. 9, the National Resistance Center reported.

⚡️ Authorities: Ukrainian air defense destroyed https://kyivindependent.com/authorities-ukrainian-air-defense-destroyed-more-than-20-drones-over-kyiv/ more than two dozen drones over Kyiv.

⚡️ https://kyivindependent.com/exiled-official-russians-in-occupied-melitopol-set-up-cell-towers-to-eavesdrop-on-residents/

Proxy officials in the Russian-occupied city of Melitopol in Zaporizhzhia Oblast have set up cell towers to eavesdrop on residents and search for "dissidents", exiled mayor Ivan Fedorov reported on Sept. 10.
Fedorov said that two of the newly-built towers are located near a hospital and a school.

One foreign volunteer has been confirmed killed, one missing, and two others injured in Donetsk Oblast after their van came under Russian artillery fire on Sept. 9. The volunteers, from the NGO Road to Relief were driving near the front-line town of Chasiv Yar around 10 a.m. when the attack took place, the organization reported. https://kyivindependent.com/road-to-relief-volunteers-attacked-by-russian-forces-1-killed-and-2-injuredd/

⚡️Sky News: UK citizen fighting in Ukraine found dead in a body of water https://kyivindependent.com/sky-news-uk-soldier-found-dead-in-ukraine/ with hands bound behind back.
U.K. citizen Jordan Chadwick, 31, who went to Ukraine to fight with the International Legion, has been found dead in Ukraine, Sky News reported on Sept. 9, citing the U.K. Foreign Office.

⚡️Ukraine holds https://kyivindependent.com/football-ukraine-holds-england-to-a-1-1-draw/ England to 1-1 draw in football game.

2nd day of the Kyiv Independent not publishing figures, anyone else know a place they are published? Ragnar's are visually not as intuitive.

Ru soldiers killed: 490
Artillery: 22 MLRS: 3
Other vehicles: 40
Tanks: 10
Air Defense: 1

Ragnar Gudmundsson

WAR IN #UKRAINE - SEP 10
■ Few strikes reported, enagements below average
■ Troop & equipment losses below 7-day average
■ Double-digit vehicle, artillery, APV & tank losses
■ Oryx: +7, +6(net change) - 30-day ratio down to 1.6x

Ukraine Invasion: Part 44
DancesWithDucks · 10/09/2023 13:49

Annnd just as I posted, here they came:

Ukraine Invasion: Part 44
DancesWithDucks · 10/09/2023 13:58

UNITED 24 Telegram

❗️ Romania summoned the Russian envoy after finding drone fragments in its territory. The fragments are similar to those used by the Russian military in Ukraine. The discovery came amid Russian attacks on Ukraine's river ports, near the Romanian border.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that Ukraine will receive more Gepard anti-aircraft systems to protect the energy network—there is already a corresponding agreement with partners.

In the next 2 years, Russia will probably be able to reach the level of production of up to 2 million artillery shells per year, — Reuters
This will be twice as much as the estimates that were previously "on the hands" of Western officials, but many times less than the real needs of the Russian army on the battlefield in the war against Ukraine. Last year, the Russian occupiers used 10 to 11 million artillery shells in the battles against the Armed Forces.
The unnamed official also told the newspaper that the Russian Federation will be able to produce 200 tanks per year. But even under such conditions, the Russians will need at least 10 years to at least simply restore the losses received during the war against Ukraine.

Russia appears to be returning to global trade despite sanctions, — Business Insider
According to the Kiel Institute of World Economics, in August, Russia's three largest container ports — in St. Petersburg, Vladivostok, and Novorossiysk — approached their pre-war maximum.

Chief of the Ukrainian Military Intelligence Kyrylo Budanov confirmed that Starlink systems did not work "for a certain period" near Crimea, but he noted that currently, "the entire frontline is operational on them."

The British company "BAE Systems" is ready to start production of spare parts for light artillery in Ukraine, — the executive director of the company.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy met with the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Japan Yoshimasa Hayashi
"We agreed to start negotiations on a bilateral agreement on security guarantees in the development of the G7 Declaration," the president said.

Poland will insure Polish and foreign investors who are interested in the reconstruction of Ukraine, the Ministry of Economy.

❗️The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Azerbaijan announced the non-recognition of pseudo-elections in the temporarily occupied territories of Ukraine [surprising, and Russia won't like it]

Lula says Putin will not be arrested in Brazil
Lula da Silva, the president-elect of Brazil, has said that Russian President Vladimir Putin will not be arrested if he attends the G20 summit in Rio de Janeiro next year.

Cynicism and a parody of generosity — the president of the European Council, Charles Michel, criticized Russia's desire to "gift" grain to African countries.

According to a communique from the Royal Palace, Morocco's King Mohammed VI has declared three days of national mourning for the victims of the earthquake that occurred on the evening of September 8.
According to the latest data, the number of victims of the earthquake reached 1,037 people, another 1,204 people were injured.

🇫🇷 French VAB armored personnel carrier in service with the Armed Forces.

Pictures of Russians building special structures at airfields to protect against drone attacks appeared online.

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blueshoes · 10/09/2023 14:10

Not just tyres. Now mosquito nets. Wait for the memes ...

MMBaranova · 10/09/2023 14:20

Soils.

Soviet era map with English key on left:

https://esdac.jrc.ec.europa.eu/images/Eudasm/UA/russ_x76.jpg

Mud season. I believe it is worse further north. Most of the soils in the South to SE quarter of Ukraine are zonal / roughly latitudinal. I haven’t looked closely but the key fighting at the moment is probably heading from Chernozems towards Chestnut soils. There are areas of sandy soils, including in S Kherson oblast.

https://esdac.jrc.ec.europa.eu/images/Eudasm/UA/russ_x76.jpg

DancesWithDucks · 10/09/2023 14:26

Live: Ukraine Telegram

❗️Main points of the declaration agreed by G20 leaders during the summit - Reuters

The main thing about Ukraine:

▪️countries should act in accordance with the purposes and principles of the UN charter
▪️countries should refrain from actions against the territorial integrity and sovereignty of any state
▪️during the war in Ukraine, the use or threat of use of nuclear weapons is unacceptable
▪️peaceful settlement of conflicts, diplomacy and dialogue are crucial
▪️calls by the Russian Federation and Ukraine to ensure immediate and unimpeded supply of grain, food and fertilizers

⚡️⚡️Defense forces liberate another 1.5 square kilometers near Robotyno, Zaporizhzhia region

As a result of the nighttime Russian attack by the Shaheds, debris from enemy drones fell in four districts of Kyiv - an apartment, cars, trolleybus power lines and road signs were damaged

Zaporizhzhia Front and Russian Fortifications

Russians opened fire on a car of the foreign volunteer organization Road2Reliefe near Chasovyi Yar, killing Canadian Anthony Ignat and Spanish Emma Higual. They were on their way to assess the needs of the residents of Ivanivske after the attack by the occupiers.
German medical volunteer Ruben Mavik and Swedish volunteer Johan Mathias Thyr were also in the car. They suffered severe shrapnel wounds and burns.
According to the Prosecutor General's Office, the Russians hit the vehicle with an anti-tank guided missile.

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MagicFox · 10/09/2023 16:23

I know Xi didn't attend the summit but were there any reported China rumblings?

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blueshoes · 10/09/2023 16:57

FT article on the mealy mouthed G20 statement.

It is behind a fire wall so I have cut-and-pasted below. A bit long but necessary to read it in the light of the compromise. Has commentary on Xi and China at the end.

https://www.ft.com/content/af2cf577-9295-4b56-92ce-263abe202c43

G20 statement drops reference to Russia aggression ‘against’ Ukraine
Joint language does not condemn Moscow’s invasion after China refused to repeat critical wording

Western countries have struggled to convince developing nations to condemn Russia’s invasion of Ukraine

G20 leaders have failed to condemn Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in a joint statement after China and Russia rejected language that blamed Moscow for the conflict, highlighting the lack of global consensus in support of Kyiv.

The New Delhi summit declaration refers only to the “war in Ukraine”, a formulation that supporters of Kyiv such as the US and Nato allies have previously rejected as it implies both sides are equally complicit.

That statement, hammered out over weeks of negotiations between diplomats, is a blow to western countries that have spent the past year attempting to convince developing countries to condemn Moscow and support Ukraine.

The previous G20 declaration, made in Indonesia last November, referred to “aggression by the Russian Federation against Ukraine”. Western diplomats said China’s refusal to repeat that formulation was critical in pushing host India to propose compromise language.

Referring to the war, India’s external affairs minister S Jaishankar said: “It is a fact that this is today a very polarising issue and there are multiple views on this. There are a spectrum of views on this, so I think in all fairness it was only right to record what was the reality in the meeting rooms.”

A spokesman for Ukraine’s foreign ministry said in response to the statement: “In terms of Russia’s aggression against Ukraine, the Group of Twenty has nothing to be proud of. It is obvious that the participation of the Ukrainian side would allow the participants to better understand the situation.”

The declaration also contains a pledge by the leaders of the world’s biggest economies to “pursue and encourage efforts to triple renewable energy capacity globally”, but does not include any deadline for phasing out fossil fuels. China and Saudi Arabia led efforts to block such language in G20 meetings in July.

Adopting the declaration will be a foreign policy coup for India and its prime minister Narendra Modi, after speculation that divisions over Ukraine were too large to be bridged. Modi will face voters in a poll in which he will be seeking re-election to a third term in early 2024.

“We highlighted the human suffering and negative added impacts of the war in Ukraine with regard to global food and energy security, supply chains, macro-financial stability, inflation and growth,” the joint statement said. “There were different views and assessments of the situation.”

The declaration called for a “just and durable peace in Ukraine” but did not explicitly link that demand to the importance of Ukraine’s territorial integrity, as western countries had pushed for. It also did not include the statement from the 2022 version that noted “most members strongly condemned the war”.

The deletion of western criticism of Russia allowed the G20 to find agreement on other issues such as a pledge to restart exports of Ukrainian grain through the Black Sea, said one senior western official present at the summit, who said compromise was necessary to maintain consensus.

“The option that we had is text or no text. And I think the right answer is text,” the official said. “You keep the [G20] platform and the organisation alive.”
Jake Sullivan, the US national security adviser, nonetheless said the declaration had a “set of consequential paragraphs” on the war in Ukraine.

“From our perspective, it does a very good job of standing up for the principle that states cannot use force to seek territorial acquisition . . . that the use of nuclear weapons is inadmissible, that a just peace must be based on the principles of the UN Charter,” he added.

Overall, the statement was a “vote of confidence that the G20 can come together to address a pressing range of issues, and also to deal with hard issues that actually very much divide some members from others”, Sullivan said.

India, which styles itself as a leader of the so-called Global South group of developing countries, also succeeded in its campaign to have the G20 induct the African Union as a full member.

The joint statement also makes reference to digital public infrastructure, that India has been promoting as a template for financial inclusion and economic productivity gains during its presidency after its own successful push to bring more than 1bn people online.

Hanging over the summit was the still unexplained absence of China’s president Xi Jinping. He skipped the meeting for the first time and instead sent the country’s second-ranked cadre, Premier Li Qiang in what some analysts have described as a “snub”.

But the wording of the communique still reflected many Chinese talking points, such as that the G20 should limit itself to international economic issues and the language on Ukraine and nuclear weapons. China has also heavily touted its role in supporting African Union membership.

In his address to the Summit, Li said the G20 needed “unity instead of division, co-operation instead of confrontation, and inclusion instead of exclusion”, according to state-run news agency Xinhua.

The remarks are in line with China’s portrayal of the US and its allies as pushing “bloc confrontation” and engaging in a “Cold War mentality”.

DancesWithDucks · 10/09/2023 17:02

MagicFox · 10/09/2023 16:23

I know Xi didn't attend the summit but were there any reported China rumblings?

Not in the Kyiv Indep, Live: Ukraine or UNITEED24. Maybe something will come out later.

Seychal · 10/09/2023 17:35

The New Delhi summit declaration refers only to the “war in Ukraine”, a formulation that supporters of Kyiv such as the US and Nato allies have previously rejected as it implies both sides are equally complicit.

and

countries should refrain from actions against the territorial integrity and sovereignty of any state

Through language construction, any war in a sovereign state with a neighbour implies the neighbour has breached the territorial integrity of the first mentioned state. There may be semantics elsewhere in the document, but the way I read the abbreviated comments Ukraine is the injured party.

DancesWithDucks · 10/09/2023 17:38

Does anyone have access to the Times?

Mark Galeotti
AT MarkGaleotti

Why a map of the front line won’t tell you who’s winning the #Ukraine war Yes, Ukraine is winning (tho it's too early to talk of victory, whatever that means), but no, it's not just a q of tallying advances by the mile or metre. My thoughts in@thetimes

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why-a-map-of-the-front-line-wont-tell-you-whos-winning-the-ukraine-war-qdttj8rhx

https://twitter.com/MarkGaleotti

blueshoes · 10/09/2023 18:16

@DancesWithDucks here it is. I don't have a share code so have to copy-and-paste.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why-a-map-of-the-front-line-wont-tell-you-whos-winning-the-ukraine-war-qdttj8rhx

Why a map of the front line won’t tell you who’s winning the Ukraine war
While defensive lines have been breached, there is no sign of Russia folding — and Putin could send hundreds of thousands more soldiers to the battlefield

Ukrainian forces have managed to break through the first Russian defensive line at Robotyne in the southern Zaporizhzhia region and are already grinding at the second.

Western coverage has tended to swing between defeatism and triumphalism, and already the downbeat analyses of a fortnight ago, when anonymous Pentagon sources were predicting no real progress before winter, have given way to suggestions that Kyiv’s forces could reach the Sea of Azov.

Trent Maul, director of analysis for America’s Defence Intelligence Agency, told The Economist that he believes Ukraine now has a “realistic possibility . . . of breaking the remaining Russian lines by the end of the year”.

A Ukrainian expert was much more cautious, though, warning with some exasperation that “the West keeps expecting too much and then criticising us when we don’t live up to their expectations. War doesn’t follow a neat path to victory.” She is right: this is real progress, but measuring it is complex.

Goal is more than territory

It is tempting to try to judge the state of the war simply by movement on a map, on how far the advance has moved in a day. It is also misleading. Before the recent advance, Ukraine seemed all but stalled. In fact, it was painstakingly and methodically clearing paths through dense Russian minefields and identifying the best lines of attack. A lack of movement is not the same as a lack of progress.

Conversely, a Russian retreat could be a rout or simply a withdrawal to more defensible positions, all the better to hold the overall line. A US officer who monitors the conflict on a daily basis used a sporting metaphor, likening it to a bowler stepping back to give himself a better run. As a result, he admitted he despaired of analyses which depended on hourly or daily locations of respective forces: “It’s fluid, dynamic; a probe makes some progress, then withdraws under fire, a defending force shifts position . . . You can’t gauge the process of the war on this micro-scale.”

Capturing territory is at once irrelevant and crucial. It is irrelevant in that the real goal of warfare is to break the enemy’s capacity to fight. But it is crucial because Kyiv’s ultimate aim is to liberate all the occupied territories, and cutting the Russian supply lines along the “land bridge” to Crimea would advance that goal by directly challenging and humiliating President Putin.

Ukraine’s heavy human toll

To this end, the Russians are trying to slow and degrade the Ukrainians, who are in turn seeking to move as far as they can before the winter makes offensive operations all the harder. Contrary to anonymous claims from Washington accusing them of being too cautious, they have been taking serious casualties in the process. While the Russians have lost more men in the war to date, and even during the counteroffensive — quite striking given that usually the defender suffers less — the Ukrainians are suffering more, proportionate to their respective populations, about 37 million to the Russians’ 144 million.

The Ukrainians have pushed some 18 miles into Russian-held territory. If they can advance perhaps ten miles more, their long-range artillery and rockets can hit those supply lines. It will not be enough to strangle Crimea, but will massively complicate the Russians’ operations and force them to rely more on the Kerch Bridge and shipping, all of which have proved vulnerable.

If they cannot get this far, though, then for all their progress they may end up watching the Russians simply build yet more defensive lines over the winter.

The global proxy war

The last major victory for Ukraine, last autumn’s Kharkiv offensive, ran out of steam because they lacked ammunition. The outcome of this offensive will also depend on supply lines, and here the growing impact of international industrial alliances introduces another layer of complexity.

Russia is already buying missiles and drones from Iran, and the American government claims that Vladimir Putin will this month meet his North Korean counterpart, Kim Jong Un, to discuss deeper defence-industrial co-operation. Pyongyang has extensive production capacity of its own, and could also be used as a front for China to step up its assistance to Russia without directly courting western sanctions. Already Beijing is allowing so-called dual-use technologies, with both civil and military applications, to be exported to Russia, but for overtly lethal equipment such as artillery shells, it may prefer to use Pyongyang as a conduit.

There is a certain symmetry to this, because South Korea has largely hung back from providing Kyiv with direct lethal aid, but has been selling hundreds of thousands of artillery rounds to the US, so the Americans can send comparable amounts to Ukraine.

International support will be central to ensuring Kyiv’s offensive doesn’t stall prematurely.

No one weapon system on its own is a war-winner. One British-made Challenger 2 tank has been disabled on the battlefield and several more German Leopard 2s, but this was inevitable in a modern war dense with drones, artillery, mines and anti-tank missiles. They were never, in themselves, going to win the land war, any more than F-16 jets, the current focus of Ukrainian lobbying, are an airborne panacea. Sustainability of supply is what matters. That’s one reason why suggestions that the West is arming Ukraine enough to allow it to keep fighting, not enough to win, miss the mark.

Russia could mobilise a mob

Another is that the Russians get to shape the battlefield, too. This offensive has shown that they are adaptable and able to mitigate the effect of each Ukrainian innovation or newly acquired system. Deadly accurate Himars rocket systems allowed Ukraine to strike Russian supply bases, for example, until they moved them back and dispersed their ammunition stocks.

More broadly, while the Wagner mercenary army is no longer in Ukraine, there has been a “Wagnerisation” of the regular Russian military, as techniques they pioneered are adopted by the once-staid regulars. The latter are now fielding their own expendable Storm-Z units recruited from labour camp convicts, for example, and smaller, flexible assault detachments instead of the larger battalion tactical groups that used to be their main fighting forces.

Already, what reserves that can be mustered are being rushed to repel the Ukrainian breakthrough. Every action has its reaction, and one British defence analyst worried that “if Putin is panicked, then he may escalate”. In particular, this makes it almost certain he will soon launch a new mobilisation wave, meaning that next year Ukraine may be facing 200,000-300,000 fresh Russian troops.

Shockwaves felt in the West

All this said, Ukraine is winning. Unfortunately for Kyiv, as one Ukrainian expert put it: “We can win for a long time without actually achieving victory.” There is no sign that Russian forces are about to break, and converting battlefield success to any kind of lasting peace remains an intractable problem.

The US secretary of state, Antony Blinken, visited Kyiv last week, on a mission to demonstrate Washington’s increasingly longer-term support and announce more than $1 billion (£800 million) in additional aid, reflecting an awareness that this is a war likely to last years. Every twist will be viewed through a prism of how it affects the western allies’ commitment to backing Kyiv. The final complexity of the counteroffensive is, after all, that it will reverberate as much in the West as in Ukraine.

minsmum · 10/09/2023 21:02

https://twitter.com/Azovsouth/status/1700957587317960996 fighting is now taking place in the outskirts of Donetsk airport

https://twitter.com/Azovsouth/status/1700957587317960996

DancesWithDucks · 10/09/2023 22:35

Thanks, @blueshoes

Donetsk airport ... that has to be a very high value location for both sides.

MissConducUS · 10/09/2023 23:22

The Russians had plans to invade Eastern Europe after they annexed Ukraine. It's hard to tell how much of this was bluster vs. delusion.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-general-admits-ukraine-just-a-stepping-stone-to-invade-europe/ar-AA1gtZQc?

MSN

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-general-admits-ukraine-just-a-stepping-stone-to-invade-europe/ar-AA1gtZQc