Not only did Lucy Letby kill and badly hurt babies…

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She also prepared the memory boxes for parents of the dead children. Can you imagine having a memory box with photos and footprints of your dead child which had been taken by his or her merger?

That goes way beyond the murder. I just don't know how the families are coping.

If you listen to the Mail podcast (very good to be fair with two young women freelance journalists who were careful to report only what the jury heard) you could only conclude guilt.

Yes exactly. Very telling.

Not necessarily. It doesn't mean she thinks her daughter did it, she probably just feels such guilt at her daughter going to prison for likely the rest of her life.

I wish the consultants had called the police. I don't blame them for not doing so - though the hospital managers have a lot to be held accountable for. But I wish they'd have called the police.

I haven't read the whole thread but between this one and afew others about this case - can anyone comment more on whether her actions i.e she went a lot further than just killing babies; her actions were completely psychotic to the point that I wonder (not with the view to absolve her in any way), but what sort of mental disorder would make someone so vampire-ish, stalking the parents thereafter and participating in bereavement care in this manner by preparing the boxes and so forth. This just seems a great deal more than just killing in cold blood IYSWIM?

Nobody ever knows what they would do in that kind of situation. We all think we know but we don't, and every single person will have a different response.

That's why it's really important not to project what we think we would do and see something sinister when that not may be the case at all. Also, unless it was recorded on film or audio, what was said and in what context may be different.

In the very past case of Peter Falconio who was murdered by a stranger in Australia, numerous people in the Police, media and public thought his girlfriend Joanna Lees was lying that they'd both been abducted and that she must have been responsible for his murder. Based on her saying things and acting in a way which people judged to be 'wrong' for a victim.

In a more recent case of Nichola Bulley, social media ncluding MN was populated by posters convinced her husband, family and friends were suspicious based on things they said or did. Her husbands hat in an interview was a source of suspicion that indicated he was guilty of something allegedly 🙄

Look up psychosis. It doesn't mean what you think it means.

There’s plenty of evidence. You haven’t seen it.

@Ohyousillydivvy thanks for the link. Very interesting. I would imagine that if, in say an industrial company, an employee had been killed at work, and despite several safety concerns having been raised to management they had done nothing, it would be very hard for the company to deny any blame.

I doubt they'd have got anywhere. The police would have talked to hospital bosses who would have said they' investigated and were satisfied that there was nothing in it, and I doubt that they'd have looked far beyond that.

They were threatened with referral to the GMC. Forced to apologise to Letby. And they didn't have any proof, I think. Just suspicions.

Some people take pleasure in the aftermaths of their crimes. This can be because of the thrill, because of feeding off others’ distress, or simply a compulsion to do so. Letby looked at the parents’ Facebooks a huge amount of times. IMO she got off on the whole drama around the death of small babies.

Mass killers and serial killers have different motives and the mass killer's suicide is his final act of rage and punishment of people he doesn't like. His suicide denies justice to the people who survive his attack and is a way of hurting the people he didn't have enough bullets to kill. Serial killers don't usually commit suicide; Peter Sutcliffe and the Moors Murderers didn't commit suicide. Shipman was an outlier and at least part of his motivation was to make sure his wife got his pension.

He was a prosecution witness. And the evidence is overwhelming.

@VibrantGreen i really disagree with this. I think LL is abhorrent and those people should be held accountable for any wrong-doing and face the maximum punishments. But I don’t think a blanket response should be remove pensions that they paid into in out of their salary.

@Iserstatue Thank you for such a helpful post. I did not say I think she is (clinically) psychotic. Psychopathic traits indeed, sadistic certainly, but thank you nonetheless

Are you the same Marmite who (politely) reprimanded me because you said I hadn’t understood your post (I had) and you were just trying to give examples of what Letby herself might be thinking (insulin causing a “pleasant death”, etc)? And that you didn’t actually think that yourself?

How can you possibly say there is little evidence? There’s loads of it! Not just for one death - for a number of deaths and injuries. Do you think she’s innocent because you could never do something like that? That’s not how life works….

The point I was making is that sometimes people get away with horrible crimes for a while because people can’t conceive anyone could do something so awful. Like you, they try to ‘explain’ it, say the events were accidents or mistakes - all because they can’t understand evil behaviour. You said you couldn’t “relate to” the killing of babies. Nobody is asking you to. All I’m saying is that there’s wickedness in this world and we should be aware of it and the possibility of the answer being that the person accused is guilty as charged and simply a bad person, not mistakenly convicted, not misguidedly acting in a ‘kind’ way. Just because you couldn’t ever do anything so wicked, doesn’t mean others can’t.

The executives weren’t just protecting the reputation of the hospital - although shockingly that seems to be a major concern of theirs - they clearly couldn’t get their heads around the possibility that a nurse was killing babies. That was a huge failing on their part, and shockingly naive.

You describe Munchausen's By Proxy.

I wonder if she can appeal and if so if she will?

I'm with you on that @Globalfrumpmaster78 . If the death penalty was an effective deterrent, Louisiana wouldn't have the highest murder rate in the US.

Yes I agree, horrible case, but I hope it challenges people to question the ‘beauty myth’ and accept that we don’t know what a predator looks like.

Even now the case is in, some people still won’t accept the evidence.

I wonder as well how much of her life was calculated and how many people she manipulated to hide for so long in plain sight.

Well considering on her notes she wrote she should be dead or wanted to be dead I am glad the death penalty is not around so she can suffer every day of her miserable life behind bars.

@BreatheAndFocus Certain posters seem to be a in alittle "Lucy Fan Club" on here and convinced that the evidence "they have seen" (so read online etc) means she should have been found not guilty.

Strangely many of these posters seem to have a very similar writing style...

@ladeluge She can certainly request an appeal of her conviction, but there is limited likelihood it would be approved.

Oh I see. So there must be firm grounds for appeal I suppose. However I wouldn't be surprised if she/her legal team did try.