Lucy Letby guilty

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Lucy Letby has been convicted of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six more.

My thoughts are with the families of the victims.

Well how do they move the ''25 stone with history of violence'' men into their cells if they don't want to go?

Yes. Some sociopaths do things like this some of the time.

It's easy enough to manhandle someone quickly into an enclosed space like a cell or a prison van where you basically throw them in, lock the door and walk away. Not quite the same when you are talking about getting them up stairs into a dock and keeping them there, and trying to keep them quiet during a long process of sentencing.

I just want to say that my thoughts are with the parents of the babies. There are no words of condolence I can offer .
I always say to those grieving 'May his/her memory be a blessing'. Inadequate but the best I can do.

Unfortunately it's like that everywhere in public bodies. People who work in special needs have commented on the fact that the same people seem to move from failed council to failed council, doing a terrible job everywhere they go.

Not quite the same when you are talking about getting them up stairs into a dock and keeping them there, and trying to keep them quiet during a long process of sentencing.

I can understand that. But we're not always talking about big blokes who will and yell and fight through the whole thing. Letby doesn't fall into that catagory though?

When paediatric consultants angrily complained about his decision, Letby’s father threatened to refer them to the General Medical Council. They were forced to write her a letter of apology but maintained that she should not be allowed to return to the unit* *Lucy Letby, the ‘beige’ and ‘average’ nurse who turned into a baby killer

Holy fudge!

I have some knowledge of prisons; she won't be treated well at all. She'll be the 'block bitch' and likely to endure abuse.

I wonder if she'll die by suicide within 12 months.

I agree - there should be some sort of corporate manslaughter type charges brought against them.

I dunno - i've just seen so many of these wankers lately not want to go and face the music in dock.

It pisses me off.

@Laiste It's one thing using force and risking being injured when it's absolutely NECESSARY, that is what the prison officers are trained for, but putting people at risk simply to please peoples need for revenge is not necessary and that's before you start on keeping them still/quiet in the dock.

Justice will still be done in her absence.

Yes it is cowardly, yes I think they should be in the dock but no, I don't think it is worth putting other people at risk when the outcome is the same.

I suspect that perhaps they thought she was making mistakes, incompetent etc rather than a cold blooded serial killer?

I can’t even begin to imagine what those poor parents have been through.

And I can’t understand why anyone would do that. Just ever. What was going through her mind?

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<mutter mutter> I know you're right. I'm just having a table thump!

Also, well done to the one doctor who kept pushing for an investigation when nobody else seemed to believe him. Hope he’s ok.

I can’t understand why the hospital management wasn’t obligated to report staff concerns about her to the police.

Well I did think it odd when she was arrested. He mother was distraught (understandable) but she said, 'Take me. I did it', which is a very odd thing to say. Like she knew she'd done something and wanted to take the rap.

Surely the logical thing to have said would be to say, 'Leave her alone she's done nothing wrong'.

Seems (Tony Chambers) was an executive at Queen Victoria hospital in Sussex up until earlier this year
Reckon it must be a very uncomfortable situation if he’s still employed by a hospital

Uncomfortable for others maybe, but probably not for him if he is still in senior management at another hospital (or even in another slot at the same one)

Sadly, the families are all too often considered expendable - managers less so

Utterly horrendous. This is why I didn't clap during the pandemic. It's very dangerous to put a health service and all of those working within it on pedestal. The NHS and its staff, need to face scrutiny and there needs to be accountability. It's for everyone's safety, staff and patients. How did she manage to do this and for so long? What is going on, within the health service to allow this to happen?

@Laiste Oh believe me I feel the same, just logically it doesn't work.

I totally agree that they are cowards and if it were easier they should be forced. Just sadly unworkable.

That's a bit different to court staff moving a prisoner into a PUBLIC courtroom

Looking at this from the bbc, I really can’t see how it could be:

Always has been. There’s a mafia of NHS senior managers who watch one anothers’ backs.

Those that attempted to silence the consultants are just as guilty of murder imo. It's a shame they've probably all been paid off with golden handshakes and fat pensions. Absolutely disgusting.

This guy needs to face justice as well, surely?