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Lucy Letby guilty

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BarelyLiterate · 18/08/2023 13:12

Lucy Letby has been convicted of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six more.

My thoughts are with the families of the victims.

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JudgeJ · 18/08/2023 16:36

Suppose, for example, in a similar case the criminal is a big, strong, psychotic man. He would have to be physically forced into the dock, putting warders into considerable danger. Once there, he couldn't be forced to sit still or to sit quiet.

Diddums, if he is too cowardly to face his accusers then he should be forcibly restrained using whatever is necessary, chains would be good.
Why are so many people so keen to appease criminals?

monsteramunch · 18/08/2023 16:38

Mooshamoo · 18/08/2023 15:59

It's hard to know. Some of the deaths do look like institutional failings

You may think that and that's your prerogative of course but the jury have found her guilty beyond reasonable doubt of the charges she will be sentenced for on Monday, after hearing months and months of in depth, detailed, complex evidence and testimony.

The undeniable institutional failing here is how the concerns of staff about her conduct were dismissed by management for so long.

nancy75 · 18/08/2023 16:38

PrincessScarlett · 18/08/2023 16:32

I think her parents think she's innocent. The BBC have reported that her mum shouted out no at the guilty verdicts.

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Imagine being her parents, you’d convince yourself of anything rather than think your own child could do such terrible things

ThePoshUns · 18/08/2023 16:38

I'd be happy to drag her into court.

CandyflossKaren · 18/08/2023 16:39

@JudgeJ because some of us work with them and are injured

Injury is no fun.

Maggiethecat · 18/08/2023 16:39

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/08/2023 16:30

Not even just blind eye turning, but actual intimidation of the reporting consultant according to ITV:

"In the minutes of one meeting seen by ITV News, the doctors are told to 'draw a line under the 'Lucy issue' and to apologise to her for alleged 'victimisation'.
Dr Jayaram claims that the then-Chief Executive Tony Chambers told consultants at the meeting in January 2017: 'I'm drawing a line under this, you will draw a line under this, and if you cross that line, there will be consequences for you'"

Seems he was an executive at Queen Victoria hospital in Sussex up until earlier this year.

Reckon it must be a very uncomfortable situation if he’s still employed by a hospital.

REP22 · 18/08/2023 16:40

PrincessScarlett · 18/08/2023 15:49

Statement from the hospital was very scripted and made no mention of why senior management failed to act. A reporter shouted out that very point but the hospital representative walked away without answering.

BBC have said that most of senior management who were in charge at the time left in 2018. There has been a massive cover up and I bet all those senior management people were retired early on full pension.

Yes, it's appalling. They should be stripped of their pensions at the very least.

Papernotplastic · 18/08/2023 16:40

I’m glad that she’s been convicted. It’s taken so long to get to this point. I can’t imagine what it’s been like for the parents of the babies she killed or attempted to kill.

The hospital management allowed her to continue working after other staff raised concerns over her involvement in the deaths of babies. She then went on to kill two more babies. The way this hospital (and others I’m sure) respond to whistleblowers has to change.

SunWorshipping · 18/08/2023 16:40

I just find it too hard to read anything about it, it's just too hard to comprehend what she did. My thoughts are with those poor babies and their families.

JanieEyre · 18/08/2023 16:40

I seriously hope she gets life.

No need to hope, it's mandatory for a murder conviction.

nancy75 · 18/08/2023 16:41

ThePoshUns · 18/08/2023 16:38

I'd be happy to drag her into court.

Imagine the visuals of that - young woman dragged crying in to court. She would get sympathy & during the trial it could influence a jury to think more kindly towards her

YoSof · 18/08/2023 16:41

JudgeJ · 18/08/2023 16:36

Suppose, for example, in a similar case the criminal is a big, strong, psychotic man. He would have to be physically forced into the dock, putting warders into considerable danger. Once there, he couldn't be forced to sit still or to sit quiet.

Diddums, if he is too cowardly to face his accusers then he should be forcibly restrained using whatever is necessary, chains would be good.
Why are so many people so keen to appease criminals?

It’s not about appeasing criminals FFS, it’s the poor people who have to go in to restrain them in the first place.

Would you do it? Do you think police and prison staff should be injured at work?

CandyflossKaren · 18/08/2023 16:41

I think she will get a whole life order

Nothing else suits

theDudesmummy · 18/08/2023 16:42

Transfer of a convicted prisoner to psychiatric hospital has nothing to do with mental capacity.

JanieEyre · 18/08/2023 16:42

JudgeJ · 18/08/2023 16:36

Suppose, for example, in a similar case the criminal is a big, strong, psychotic man. He would have to be physically forced into the dock, putting warders into considerable danger. Once there, he couldn't be forced to sit still or to sit quiet.

Diddums, if he is too cowardly to face his accusers then he should be forcibly restrained using whatever is necessary, chains would be good.
Why are so many people so keen to appease criminals?

It's not appeasing them. Why don't you read the rest of that post and respond to it?

MavisMcMinty · 18/08/2023 16:42

The news reports I’ve read suggest she’ll be one of just three UK women with a whole-life sentence.

theDudesmummy · 18/08/2023 16:43

I too think she will get a full-life tariff.

Laiste · 18/08/2023 16:43

I mean - if a convicted prisoner 'refused' to get into the van to be taken to prison they'd have to be restrained and manhandled then.

Surely the whole business of detaining, moving and jailing 'reluctant to oblige' people should be met face on with force if necessary? Where does it end otherwise, when prison staff aren't prepared to get physical because getting injured isn't fun? What if firefighters decided it wasn't worth the risk? Or police?

ZoeCM · 18/08/2023 16:44

MelonsOnSaleAgain · 18/08/2023 16:35

i worked for a while in a prison law specialist solicitors. This idea that someone who does these things is automatically unwell just isn’t true in my experience.

many of them are. But some, some just do it because they can. They are just wired differently. They're different sure, but perfectly in control of their actions. It’s horrible to think of it and pretty much unimaginable for most people, thank god.

Agreed. There will always be extremes among humans. In the same way that some people are extremely intelligent, or extremely tall, or extremely musically talented - some people will simply have extremely low capacity for empathy. It sounds as though when Letby looked at a sick baby, she didn't see a vulnerable human being, but an object she could sacrifice in order to "bond" with a consultant.

CandyflossKaren · 18/08/2023 16:44

Her parents....surely they were visiting her in prison regularly and had been told to expect this

CandyflossKaren · 18/08/2023 16:44

Laiste · 18/08/2023 16:43

I mean - if a convicted prisoner 'refused' to get into the van to be taken to prison they'd have to be restrained and manhandled then.

Surely the whole business of detaining, moving and jailing 'reluctant to oblige' people should be met face on with force if necessary? Where does it end otherwise, when prison staff aren't prepared to get physical because getting injured isn't fun? What if firefighters decided it wasn't worth the risk? Or police?

Well shows you know very little!

JanieEyre · 18/08/2023 16:45

ThePoshUns · 18/08/2023 16:38

I'd be happy to drag her into court.

Would you be happy to drag in every criminal who refuses to be there for sentencing? How about when it's a 25 stone extremely fit and strong man with a long history of extreme violence?

Laiste · 18/08/2023 16:46

Which bit are you referring to?

ExpressCheckout · 18/08/2023 16:47

Maggiethecat · 18/08/2023 16:39

Seems he was an executive at Queen Victoria hospital in Sussex up until earlier this year.

Reckon it must be a very uncomfortable situation if he’s still employed by a hospital.

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Yes, Tony Chambers seems to be up to his neck in this. What is absolutely unbelievable is that despite having resigned from Countess of Chester in 2018 he was subsequently employed again as a senior manager by another NHS Trust. There is a culture of impunity amongst senior NHS managers it seems.

Restinggoddess · 18/08/2023 16:47

The jury have done their job well - no doubt it took its toll
The parents have suffered and my thoughts have been with them over the weeks

Its disgraceful that Letby did not attend to hear the verdict. This should not be allowed - the law needs to change on this matter. Too many low life criminals ( usually convicted of murder) can opt not to attend. The suffering she inflicted is not something the parents can opt out of

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