The Roman Catholic Church

[Orfuln]

Following the death of Sinead O'Connor.

Obviously the acts and crimes of this church are vast and can't be contained to one place. But in honour of a great woman, if you find it in yourself, give your testimony here.

Mine : my father was institutionalised, brutalised and brainwashed in childhood by the Catholic organisation who schooled him following the death of his father. He was an unhappy and violent man who didn't understand family relationships and consequently my own childhood was blighted with violence and misery. I did however learn my catechism very well. I now absolutely reject it.

Clearly, yes, they do. Believe me, i hate them but i know good people who are catholics. It seems for some people, they can't disassociate the religion from the heinous crimes. And won't associate them either. If i could burn the church down i would tbh. But it is a huge part of the fabric of our society, like it or not, so we need to learn to deal with it.

So that's a yes, you do believe the Catholic Church should have a role in politics. So you can't really make the argument of don't be a Catholic if you don't like it then can you?

OK, so what about the National Secular Society lobbying, do you support that?

Because if you oppose one then logically you should oppose the other?

Well you're not in Ireland obvs. They used the pulpit to maximum effect during marref and repeal.

Which ones do you refer to?

Do they teach avoidance and redirection during PR training for the Catholic church?

Do you think it's okay that the Catholic Church openly encouraged it'd congregations to lobby against marriage equality? Why is it okay for them to impove their beliefs on the whole of society like that?

Yes I can, because the two are not mutually exclusive.

Your post makes no sense.

What has it got to do with my query about the National Secular Society? 🤔

I was referring to the posted article about priests reading leaders condemning the legalisation of same sex marriage from the pulpit.

They kind of are. Because If you don't like it, don't join it - membership isn't compulsory, you know doesn't really cut it when the laws that they are trying to influence apply to everyone.

Latin America?

They kind of are
^ what does that mean?? Either they are or they aren't. If you disagree then put forward a reasoned argument.

Where, how, when?

And where do you mean by 'Latin America'?

Sorry but I don't understand your unpunctuated response.

And what do you mean by 'improve their beliefs' ? 🤔

They are.

I've made my reasons clear, much as you like to ignore them. You said that people don't like the teachings of the Catholic Church they can simply not join but given that the church try to impose their beliefs on non catholics that doesn't really work.

But this is supposed to be a thread where survivors of abuse share their stories its maybe not the place. But unfortunately it's been derailed which I'm guessing was your aim. Unfortunately I'm beginning to realise that I'm simply furthering your agenda of silencing and dismissing abuse survivors who speak out. I'm sorry about that.

And now you've resorted to making fucking passive aggressive comments about typos.

I didn't say improve I said impove which was clearly meant to be impose. And you know that fine fucking well.

Anyway, I'll let this thread get back to its intended purpose and I suggest you do the same. But you won't. Because talking abuse by the Catholic Church, but not by any other organisation, is apparently disrespectful and also two words beginning with p.

But this is supposed to be a thread where survivors of abuse share their stories its maybe not the place. But unfortunately it's been derailed which I'm guessing was your aim.

Well you guessed wrong.

The thread was 'derailed' as you put it at 8.40.pm, and not by me. So please stop spreading misinformation.

If you were concerned about it going 'off-topic' why did you not raise your concerns at that time instead of waiting a couple of hours and then throwing brickbats my way ???

I saw your most recent post about that before the deletion. Horrible.

Sorry but I don't understand your unpunctuated response.

The irony of that . Pots and kettles spring to mind.

Oh dear @Ferona Yes, it looks like people are having posts deleted for part-quoting LostWaltz's offensive, and now deleted, post.

Though I don't think it's over-zealous of Mumsnet to have done this as it could be upsetting for those who have posted about abuse to have read.

I wasw the teenager throwing up and using 10+ towels in a day. Once I was old enough to the Dr myself I did, my mother was not pleased.

Not using contraception causes babies. Not using contraception when taking thalidomide cases babies with disabilites. In order to prescribe it Drs have to provide contraception, by law there must be two forms of contraception used by any woman taking the drug.

So who is telling women not to use contraception?

No new thalidomide babies should have been born since the early 1960s.

I've never seen the tampons and tea ad, I was referring to what I was told at school, and a friend at a different school got the same advicee.

Why did Ireland create the eight amendment? Do you not think that the RC church had a hand in that?

They absolutely have not. Google Residential Schools, Canada. An apology was made, but actions? Not hardly.