The Roman Catholic Church

[Orfuln]

Following the death of Sinead O'Connor.

Obviously the acts and crimes of this church are vast and can't be contained to one place. But in honour of a great woman, if you find it in yourself, give your testimony here.

Mine : my father was institutionalised, brutalised and brainwashed in childhood by the Catholic organisation who schooled him following the death of his father. He was an unhappy and violent man who didn't understand family relationships and consequently my own childhood was blighted with violence and misery. I did however learn my catechism very well. I now absolutely reject it.

How?

If a school refuses to follow the national curriculum and can't teach RE in an unbiased way then maybe it shouldn't be a school.

If some organisation believed the earth is flat and wanted to teach that in school, would you be okay with that?

There have been treads on mumsnet talking about all those kinds of abuse you mentioned. Are they a pity party? Do you go onto throse threads to have a go at them?

Why question me?

I only report the facts, I don't write the National Curriculum or change laws.

If you have a beef with what I said write to your MP

https://www.writetothem.com/

You said that you believe Catholic schools should not have to follow the national cirriculum. So would that apply to a group that wanted to teach that the earth is flat?

You are mistaken.

People being invited to air their instances of Catholic-based abuse as an honour to a great woman is disrespectful. It's disrespectful to the artist and her family and disrespectful to the victims.

Please tell me when should abuse be ever used to honour someone??

How on earth did you get that from the thread? Disrespectful really, too?

You said that you believe Catholic schools should not have to follow the national cirriculum.

I never said that at all.

I said "A Catholic school, which is provided and part-funded by the Catholic community, should be able to teach Catholicism in the method in which it sees fit, not at the government’s direction. This is non-negotiable for Catholics, and we have always been very clear on this".

It's here in Op's opening post

Obviously the acts and crimes of this church are vast and can't be contained to one place. But in honour of a great woman, if you find it in yourself, give your testimony here.

You haven't answered as to how it's disrespectful. You've already had one extremely inappropriate comment deleted that I'm surprised you've been allowed to continue posting.

How is that not saying they shouldn't have to follow the NC?

And I'm still curious to know whether you think all threads discussing abuse are pity parties.

I've already explained it twice. I'm not doing it again.

I've already explained it twice, I'm not doing it again.

I've already explained it twice, I'm not doing it again.

Was that your deleted comment? Probably best you don't repeat that as you might end up with a ban.

And rightly so

My exH (still friends) aunt was told as a child in Irish Catholic school that she would never have children as she sinned by talking when a nun (teacher) was talking. Poor woman got to 40 without children and indeed thought the nun was right. Thankfully she did have a child at 42. No way was I ever going to get married in a Catholic Church, or any church.

Where?

I think the problem in Ireland was that it dominated everywhere - there was no discourse that challenged those ideas at the core as clearly they are illogical - that the aunt was affected by it, I think was the impact of an authority on a child, and the view that the clergy were always correct - ( from what I can gather - I didn’t grow up there).

I know lots left when they could and felt that in other countries the intellectual space was there to examine those ideas and reject them and disregard them in respect to how one feels about oneself. But they left a mark, I think. That was Irish culture - the Church was never allowed such power in the U.K. where I grew up ( well, not post ref!) plus we are surrounded by ideas and the culture of ideas that challenge the orthodoxy all the time here.

It’s sadly ironic that on a thread where lots of abuse survivors have posted about their experience at the hands of the Catholic Church, that the zealous pro-RCC poster is bullying and trolling them.

The RCC has a hierarchy, the Pope at the top, then the cardinals, archbishops, bishops, monsignors, parish priests, deacons, lay (communion givers and readers), nuns, altar servers, and the congregation.

See where the congregation is?

AFAIK other Christian churches do not have a figurehead like the boss Pope and his acolytes. I know there are Bishops, but is there a Boss Boss other than Jesus/God?

Too much power held by the hierarchy is an issue with the RCC I would say. And I say this as someone born into Catholicism but who rejects all organised religions now.

It's the same for the C of E.

The Archbishop of Canterbury is the senior bishop and a principal leader of the Church of England, the ceremonial head of the worldwide Anglican Communion and the bishop of the Diocese of Canterbury.

I can't speak for the Free Churches as I know nothing about their governance.

Weird that with an omnipotent god, he needs someone else ie a priest to interpret/ intercede etc.

You do know that god doesn't exist. He was just invented in an attempt to explain the creation of the world ( before science) and to politically control people with threats of damnation, mental and physical torture etc.

Most rulers (including popes and catholic/protestant/other kings and queens etc.) didn't seem to worry about murdering, maiming, exploiting their people in every way so obviously in their hearts didn't fear or believe in the ( whatever) religion they were foisting on others.

Most people in the world are not and never have been catholic or even have a religion at all increasingly, thankfully. Finally they are being freed and emancipated to think for themselves.

@Keykaty Too much power held by the hierarchy is an issue with the RCC I would say. And I say this as someone born into Catholicism but who rejects all organised religions now.

You are entitled to your opinion of course but I would disagree.

it is precisely this institutional complexity and multileveled breadth that renders the Catholic hierarchy uniquely well positioned to play meaningful roles at all levels of politics: local, national, and global.

The first requirement for anyone seeking to conceptualize and explicate this role, is to be careful about what we mean when we use the term “the Catholic hierarchy,” and to be cognizant of the many different “levels of analysis” at which the Catholic Church operates as a universal institution.

Are there Opus Dei members posting here?

My grandfather ( Mancunian of irish extraction ) broke with the catholic church in 1900 when the priest refused to baptise his sick, new born, baby daughter. (My gf refused to let his children go to catholic schools.)

Gf told his children that if he asked for a priest on his deathbed they would know he had 'lost his marbles'.

He didn't ask for one.