Did Uxbridge just vote for Climate Change?

[Tatami]

By 495 votes? The reason for the narrow Tory win appears to be down to a campaign against the Ultra Low Emmission Zone. Cleaner air, doing something positive about Climate Change, helped by access to the best Public transport network in the country? Nah, more of the same please; dirty air and dirty politics. FFS Uxbridge.

And what about the businesses and shops supported by people who currently travel into Uxbridge from just across the M25 in Buckinghamshire and Berkshire.

Less traffic means less people spending money and more failing businesses.

Couldn’t the ULEZ expansion be phased in or delayed a year?

you seem to be confusing me with a Tory, that is far far far from the truth.

The fact you think a train station being 2 miles away means transport links are good shows you don’t live in London.

Much of the available evidence suggests that fewer cars does not mean fewer shoppers.

Indeed it is amazing how well connected places are in London compared to the rest of the country. There is even a bus route that runs from Harefield to the station, with 3 buses an hour through the day.

Your going to be an expert in harefield all this googling.

if you want to go to uxbridge your sorted. If you want to go to london your sorted.
if you want to go elsewhere your stuffed. You have to go into london or into Uxbridge and out again. That’s the disjointed bit about it, that’s the bit that adds the time and the reason driving makes sense in the outer parts. Because if you want to go twenty minutes the other way, you don’t have to spend two hours and three buses to do it.

people have sent their children to different schools, signed up to work inside and outside the zone with the knowledge they had at the time. Not that kahn would put up a toll road between them and their work, or childs friends or school.

That’s a hell of a gamble for the shop keepers of all the towns just inside the ulez.
it won’t stop people leaving the zone but it sure as hell will stop people going in.

What evidence?

The current ULEZ is in a very different part of London - where no one has chosen to drive to the shops for years unless they have masochistic tendencies - it’s also possible that Selfridges and Oxford Street or Covent Garden have more pull than Uxbridge high street.

Or will push more people onto the internet further depressing high street shopping which is already struggling.

Which is the reality. And I’m never sure how much better the delivery process is for emissions. It may be for one thing, but if you were popping into town for multiple. I don’t know

So we can agree that Harefield is much better connected than many places in this country.

Feel free to search out studies into the effect of reducing cars in shopping streets if you want the evidence.

Still a harder sell than one party taking two or three seats.

As for swing we’ll see, I thought Labour were confident of a win but going by op and others posting more about this Uxbridge win than the others maybe not.

By-elections are typically low turn out anyway.

If the nationwide swing were the same as that in Uxbridge, then it is more likely than not that Labour would be the largest party at the next General Election, so even Uxbridge is actually a reasonably good result for Labour.

That’s if by-elections weren’t a protest vote with low turnout

This and the tactical voting thread make me think Labour supporters aren’t so certain

Whatever. I don’t really care if they are jumpy. We’ll see what happens at the time.

Uxbridge air quality is actually not bad but more importantly people won't need to travel to it because there won't be any shops left in it....the pictures on the media are a very sanitised picture of Uxbridge there's hardly anything left ....the food banks are busy though and plenty of homeless.

I am so confused what your argumentative point is.

it’s public transport links are pretty shit if you have to get rid of your car with a few months notice. You might be lucky and work in Uxbridge, your kids might go to the local secondary
or you might work in Chorleywood and your kids go to school in beaconsfield.
your not doing that without a car. Unlike lots of places in london where there’s multiple buses to different places or multiple trains to different places. It’s transport is disjointed.

And just to reiterate, since you seem on some kind of “I can Google a place better than you” point. I don’t live there. The issues people are facing are ones I’ve heard from colleagues who do live there

If as you say there are hardly any shops in Uxbridge now, then the introduction of the ULEZ isn't going to make much difference to the shops is it?

Cleaner air makes sense anywhere.

There are 3 buses an hour.
That is more than some places see in a week.

Your evidence is the impact of this pedestrianising shopping streets?

They usually come with car parks.

Not remotely comparable and rather silly

There is some evidence that reducing car parking also increases the amount spent in shops.

As I said - silly