Page 10 | Did Uxbridge just vote for Climate Change?

Tatami · 2023-07-21T06:10:05+00:00

By 495 votes? The reason for the narrow Tory win appears to be down to a campaign against the Ultra Low Emmission Zone. Cleaner air, doing something positive about Climate Change, helped by access to the best Public transport network in the country? Nah, more of the same please; dirty air and dirty politics. FFS Uxbridge.

StefanosHill · 21/07/2023 10:58

Crikeyalmighty · 21/07/2023 10:46

I really don't think it's all about Ulez specifically. Look at the demographic, it has an awful lot of better off southern Asians who tend to vote this way - a lot of Rishi Sunak and his cohorts mentality . We lived in Windsor for a while and that was similar. It's not being racist by the way it's being factual. Just as an area like Islington will have a lot of left leaning intellectuals. I think it's areas like this that will be the harder ones to change direction. I think a bigger indicator is that labour could win Selby and that areas like Frome will turn away from the Tory's.

This feels a big leap and also dubious to comment based on racial stereotypes.

They were voting for an MP not Sunak in any case.

C8H10N4O2 · 21/07/2023 11:01

ForTheSnarkWasABoojumYouSee · 21/07/2023 10:53

I'm broadly in favour of ULEZ but the timing's been terrible. When the expansion was announced pre-pandemic you could buy a compliant old petrol car like mine for a very low rate. Put away a couple of quid a week for the few years' notice period you had (a very small proportion of the cost of running a car), sell the old diesel one to WBAC and you're sorted.

Nowadays the global price of second hand cars is so much higher that those dirt cheap second hand petrol cars don't exist anymore so switching is genuinely difficult for some people. Still only a small minority of car owners, but more than there would have been.

And that goes double for small business running diesel vans, who were always going to have more of a challenge even before second hand van prices spiked.

We're about to have a different fight on our hands in inner London. Our council is taking the price of visitor permits for workmen up to thirty quid a day - even if they're just there for an hour to fix a tap or give you a quote. Operation Get Plumbers Onto Cargo Bikes. I sort of see the logic, but it'll be a painful fight.

Its worse than that. The broad principle of expansion was announced but no actual details of vehicles in scope. There was also talk of the kind of support made available to residents in the congestion zone and exemptions initially for work related travel.

In the end, I didn't know if my car was in or out of scope until mid last year due to delays, prevaricating and conflicting information. There are no allowances for essential services and workers who need a vehicle to do the day job.

If Khan loses the mayoral election to a little known, middle aged woman (already being demonised as an older woman) it will be down to the outer boroughs dealing with the pain of this mess.

C8H10N4O2 · 21/07/2023 11:04

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 21/07/2023 09:59

Ahhh ok. So I’m not completely mad, just a little out dated. And I can scowl at some, but maybe not others.

although I do know it’s definitely in ulez, yet denham, maple cross and rickmansworth is not. Despite being a slither between them.

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Ah but that 100m between Hillingdon and the Bucks/Herts boundaries has a big clean air filtering plant which is why the farmland that straddles the boundaries has friesian looking cows as they graze across the fields.

Honest.

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 21/07/2023 11:11

In the end, I didn't know if my car was in or out of scope until mid last year due to delays, prevaricating and conflicting information. There are no allowances for essential services and workers who need a vehicle to do the day job.

that’s very true they were so late with the details , I was so worried about my 2001 car. She’s little, well maintained and perfect. I think a lot of people buried their head that it wouldn’t happen at all.

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 21/07/2023 11:14

C8H10N4O2 · 21/07/2023 11:04

Ah but that 100m between Hillingdon and the Bucks/Herts boundaries has a big clean air filtering plant which is why the farmland that straddles the boundaries has friesian looking cows as they graze across the fields.

Honest.

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ohhh is that what that hs2 bridge is about? With all the diesel machinery, that churned up the greenbelt, removed all the trees, loss of the lakes, built new roads for the lorries and the water pumping vehicles to pump the water as it floods now. And the great big warehouses that now line that stretch of the m25.

that’s being lined up for houses rather than returning to green land?

Crikeyalmighty · 21/07/2023 11:14

@StefanosHill i disagree- people don't mentally vote for an MP on the main- they vote for a party and with regard to stereotypes, it seems to be fair game if it's the other way round-.we live in Bath - I can't tell you the number of posts I have seen be it here and Twitter etc saying 'itsall white arty liberals' - it's actually quite mixed but yes that demographic is probably the biggest and I get that so I fail to see why it can't be mentioned when the demographic is something else . If people are happy to stereotype Surrey or Bath or Brighton etc, then the reverse is true. It's factual. I don't think the ulez situation helped though but I don't think it's the whole reason.

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 21/07/2023 11:15

Where the fuck were the Lib Dem’s.
this was easy

ulez:
conservatives thought it
Labour did it

we will implement it with a plan.

jannier · 21/07/2023 11:16

jgw1 · 21/07/2023 09:20

Hang on, I thought that Uxbridge and Ruislip was a rural constituency, have I been misled?

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Uxbridge is the end of the metropolitan and Piccadilly lines it's not Rural there are no farm lands is solid housing or industry through to central London yet easy to get in your car and go out to big green areas of woods ...not easy to go by bus and no trains. It's on the outer edge of ULEZ and a big town for shopping but for many just outside ULEZ it's just as easy to go the other way and not pay £12.50 for Ulez and £4 to park.

Did Uxbridge just vote for Climate Change?

StefanosHill · 21/07/2023 11:17

Crikeyalmighty · 21/07/2023 11:14

@StefanosHill i disagree- people don't mentally vote for an MP on the main- they vote for a party and with regard to stereotypes, it seems to be fair game if it's the other way round-.we live in Bath - I can't tell you the number of posts I have seen be it here and Twitter etc saying 'itsall white arty liberals' - it's actually quite mixed but yes that demographic is probably the biggest and I get that so I fail to see why it can't be mentioned when the demographic is something else . If people are happy to stereotype Surrey or Bath or Brighton etc, then the reverse is true. It's factual. I don't think the ulez situation helped though but I don't think it's the whole reason.

No it’s not factual

You are making assumptions based on stereotypes.

If you don’t like it don’t do it to others. Especially minority groups who suffer from racism more anyway.

jannier · 21/07/2023 11:18

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 21/07/2023 09:30

It is an odd area. It’s heavily and densely built on with heathrow and all the supporting trades areas.
the other sides boarder berkshire, buckinghamshire and hertfordshire.
people live and commute between the two areas. Kids go to school in out of county boroughs, without many school coaches. It’s easier to think of it as one large area. And Kahn’s affectively put a toll road inbetween people’s lives.

Exactly why pay £12.50 a day to work in the hospital, school, airport, etc when you can go the other way and not pay. Hillingdon hospital is already one of the worst without the staff it's going to get worse.

jannier · 21/07/2023 11:24

yogasaurus · 21/07/2023 09:47

It was a by-election, not a local election. They’re voting for their MP, same as in a general election.

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It was a protest to show were not happy with you Boris but are more unhappy with Ulez Labour would have walked it if they hadn't supported Ulez ....it's not Ulez itself but the way it's being done without proper infrastructure or the financial support the whole idea you have a spare £6000 to scrap your usable car and buy newer whilst paying £1800 in rent for a small average 2 bed with no garden and using a food bank is madness.

jannier · 21/07/2023 11:31

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 21/07/2023 09:49

don’t mistake this as me questioning you, you sound better informed than me. I thought harefield was boris’s constituency. I’m sure a colleague was moaning about never seeing him.

just looked it up. It comes under ruislip but not South Ruislip. I thought they were responsible for him. I’ll scowl less if I’m in the co-op

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To be fair only a mad man would risk the ride to Uxbridge from Harefield at the moment it's a country lane either way with massive lorries going to HS2 in a continual stream...throwing out their diesel. Not even a verge to walk on even pre HS2 it was dangerous with a few memorials in the hedges.

jannier · 21/07/2023 11:34

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 21/07/2023 10:37

if you look out to harefield (which is in the ulez) was the uxbridge constituency until recently, and is ruislip constituency, it is more rural with country lanes, farms, greenbelt etc. the local bus route is into uxbridge.

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Uxbridge isn't rural ....Ruislip isn't Rural surrounding Harefield is but is an island bounded by HS2 traffic the M40 and the M25 .....you need to go there not just Google

jannier · 21/07/2023 11:37

Rural Harefield ideal to take a 30 minute if your fit and healthy walk to Uxbridge from.

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 21/07/2023 11:38

jannier · 21/07/2023 11:34

Uxbridge isn't rural ....Ruislip isn't Rural surrounding Harefield is but is an island bounded by HS2 traffic the M40 and the M25 .....you need to go there not just Google

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I’m confused by your post and what your meaning.

I do go there. My dentist is in ruislip. I use the co op in harefield, I have colleagues that live in harefield and drink in the kings arms.
I occasionally get my eyebrows done in the chimes.
I often use the aldi in yiewsley on my way through to the m4.

I don’t live there but I certainly visit it enough for work.

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 21/07/2023 11:39

jannier · 21/07/2023 11:37

Rural Harefield ideal to take a 30 minute if your fit and healthy walk to Uxbridge from.

All those pictures are of the current hs2 works.
they were fields, trees and forests before.

SunThroughTheCloudsAt6am · 21/07/2023 11:48

Uxbridge isn't rural ....Ruislip isn't Rural

No, but plenty around it is..

My kid went to a school with less than 100 kids in it, and there was another one just like it the next village up. We would all go do our big shop in Uxbridge, wander round the Chimes (or whatever they've changed it to), and go to swimming lessons there. With ULEZ, they won't - they'll go down to Slough or over to High Wycombe.

Fancypantsuit · 21/07/2023 11:59

The constituency is Uxbridge and South Ruislip - not Ruislip.

South Ruislip is NOT rural, remotely!!!!

JustDanceAddict · 21/07/2023 12:14

I’m not a Tory voter & I am worried about pollution, but ulez is money making pure and simple.
we live on the cusp of the original zone and dh had to change his car two years ago even though it was touted as a less polluting vehicle and mine was compliant even though it was older and I pay more road tax.
if it made sense it’d be ok!

midgetastic · 21/07/2023 12:19

It's not money making pure and simple

It has achieved its goal of reducing air pollution and has also reduced carbon emissions from transport

Think of the charge as a compromise

jgw1 · 21/07/2023 18:14

StefanosHill · 21/07/2023 10:26

Idk I think it works both ways as typically lower turn out protest type votes which might be showing in the other by elections too

I’d say it’s hard to call from these by elections but what it does do is stop any one party saying we know what the people want.

They won one each.

That means the race is still on in a way that would feel stalled if one party had won more seats

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Did you miss the 21% swing (on average) away from one of the parties?

jgw1 · 21/07/2023 18:17

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 21/07/2023 10:21

I did say I only go there for work and I was wrong. However in your googling have you seen how the transport links are crap? How it doesn’t have its own proper supermarket? How the secondary school was woeful? So locals try not to send them there and use the ones out of county - so out of the ulez zone. Which means if some children want to go to their friends houses the parents will have to pay £12.50 to collect them

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Harefield is just over 2 miles from the nearest train station. So I would suggest you are also wrong about the transport links.

Should we keep voting for the party that has ensured that many secondary schools are woeful?

jgw1 · 21/07/2023 18:19

LookingOldTheseDays · 21/07/2023 10:33

Parts of it may be.

Uxbridge and Ruislip are not.

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There is a golf course and a park, so maybe it is rural?

jgw1 · 21/07/2023 18:24

SunThroughTheCloudsAt6am · 21/07/2023 10:50

It's the claims that Uxbridge etc. are rural that had me flabbergasted. I am fully aware that rural areas exist in the SE, but the areas being discussed here are a million miles from being rural.

FFS - look on Google maps - I've lived there, and I've lived proper-rural - go a 2 miles left of Uxbridge and you can be surrounded by fields, growing things. Full on Rural maybe not. Urban - no, not that either.

I used to live in Tokyo. (population perhaps 37million) I could see rice fields from my apartment window, does that make Tokyo rural?

jgw1 · 21/07/2023 18:25

jannier · 21/07/2023 11:16

Uxbridge is the end of the metropolitan and Piccadilly lines it's not Rural there are no farm lands is solid housing or industry through to central London yet easy to get in your car and go out to big green areas of woods ...not easy to go by bus and no trains. It's on the outer edge of ULEZ and a big town for shopping but for many just outside ULEZ it's just as easy to go the other way and not pay £12.50 for Ulez and £4 to park.

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So ULEZ will improve the air quality in Uxbridge as fewer people drive their cars into it from other places. Sounds like exactly the sort of place the ULEZ was designed to help.