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Cornettoninja · 21/07/2023 11:09

shame I missed your reply @Janiie, I’m sure it was ground breaking and I would have bowed to your superiority purely off the back of that.

I don't think it is 'awful to say' that saying it's 'their sexual desires' is not ok despite someone reporting it and getting it deleted

go on then. What’s an acceptable description of what drives people to use the sex industry look like to you? Sexual gratification? Sexual appetite? Because it all comes down to the same thing, you’re just picking over terminology that you’re projecting your own moral objections onto. Using a particular term isn’t an automatic sign of condoning something. If that means you minimise or exaggerate something that’s on you.

(excellent derailing btw. Some of your best work)

CarlosAlcaraz · 21/07/2023 11:42

Looks like the (ex) hackers are being hacked

Update on our next #MediaToo Dan Wootton story. There has been some illicit attempts to access our work by unknown third parties. We’re conducting a full security review with our IT consultants. This may delay our next story a little till this evening

bladebladebla1 · 21/07/2023 11:44

This escalated

Anxioys · 21/07/2023 12:02

The interesting thing about this story is not the relative issues for Edwards but the source.

You might say that there were issues before which had been dealt with by a non disclosure agreement. But if there is good evidence of a crime then the cover these agreements have is probably nothing. This is what happened to Weinstein, and there is no reason why it couldn't happen in the UK.

If that's right then News Int will be consulting their lawyers as well as investigating DW. Because what is evidence than can be disclosed when a NDA is said to apply and when one might not apply can be radically different.

I would not assume this case is about a few harsh words yet.

CarlosAlcaraz · 21/07/2023 13:01

Security update two. The same team member who we believed was hacked had blood smeared over the windscreen of his car this morning. This may very well be a coincidence, but rest assured both incidents have been reported to the police

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LizzieSiddal · 21/07/2023 13:08

I wonder who’s behind the security breach. I bet no one can guess Hmm

Cornettoninja · 21/07/2023 13:41

CarlosAlcaraz · 21/07/2023 13:01

Security update two. The same team member who we believed was hacked had blood smeared over the windscreen of his car this morning. This may very well be a coincidence, but rest assured both incidents have been reported to the police

😮

That’s unhinged.

Cornettoninja · 21/07/2023 13:46

these methods of intimidation rely on victims silence.

If all of this leads back to the same source fair play to those at BT for standing firm.

CarlosAlcaraz · 21/07/2023 13:57

The cynical side of me , (because this is getting really weird now , and I have gone off on a tangent in my brain) wonders if this is all made up and BT will say that they've had all their evidence deleted by hackers .
But I just can't see why they would risk being sued if this isn't all true.
Smearing blood on a car is sick and again, if true, means they've really rattled someone's cage .

Iwantcakeeveryday · 21/07/2023 14:16

CarlosAlcaraz · 21/07/2023 13:01

Security update two. The same team member who we believed was hacked had blood smeared over the windscreen of his car this morning. This may very well be a coincidence, but rest assured both incidents have been reported to the police

😮

Oh goodness, that sounds scary! what the heck?

SugarRaye · 21/07/2023 14:18

Cornettoninja · 21/07/2023 10:16

Now I’m not sure what you’re saying?

I’m saying they can’t publish anything they can’t back up because that’s when they’ll be forced legally to retract what they’ve published and then lose any credibility in their claims. For the claims to remain credible they have to be able to defend them against lawyers attempts to remove them. There’s little point in publishing reports that at a later date have legal holes punched in them as it discredits the whole thing.

It remains to be seen if there is anything that constitutes law breaking by Wotton, but publishing the allegations could constitute law breaking if they’re not sufficiently backed up. That’s not a new phenomenon, defamation and slander have been taken seriously in journalism for eons surely?

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I agree that they shouldn't publish anything defamatory or slanderous. So I think you're saying the reason they haven't published anything of particular note is because they don't have sufficient evidence to back it up. Isn't that called speculation?
It just seems odd to me that they trumpet this great expose that is so fantastic, it has to be revealed in three separate parts and it's some guys saying that it could have been him that paid them for sending naked photos, and he was a bully. Both of which we already sort of heard from his boyfriend.
Come on Bylines. If you've got it, say it. If you haven't got it, shut up. Because saying you've got it when you haven't really, puts you on a par with Wootton.

Rhondaa · 21/07/2023 14:22

'Come on Bylines. If you've got it, say it. If you haven't got it, shut up. Because saying you've got it when you haven't really, puts you on a par with Wootton'

Indeed. It's all a bit gossipy at this point. kettle and pot spring to mind.

SugarRaye · 21/07/2023 14:30

What?!! I must have taken a long time to write my post for all that to have happened!
Hacking must have come on, because phone hacking was just about getting phone numbers and ringing their answerphone numbers. Not actually hacking into a system.
Blood on car windows? I mean that is extreme. And they're implying or want us to infer that it was Wootton. Because what else is the journalist up to that he has sufficient people likely to smear blood on their windscreen that this might be a "coincidence"?

What a horrible world all these journalists live in together.

CarlosAlcaraz · 21/07/2023 14:43

It's all getting a bit Eastenders - just as the next piece of information is about to be released, there's a dramatic delay. It's almost as if BT are releasing the story bit by bit to goad those accused into taking action.
I really hope they have got good evidence and it has all been sent to the police , I'd love for DW to get his comeuppance.

SugarRaye · 21/07/2023 14:50

Rhondaa · 21/07/2023 14:22

'Come on Bylines. If you've got it, say it. If you haven't got it, shut up. Because saying you've got it when you haven't really, puts you on a par with Wootton'

Indeed. It's all a bit gossipy at this point. kettle and pot spring to mind.

Personally, I don't think it's gossipy. I think it just shows that running a newspaper and staying financially viable is hard. Stories like this can suck people in so they split it over 3 nights for increased revenue. But the downside of that is that they're ratcheting up expectations.
I find it disappointing but very instructive of why newspapers add in, "its believed" and allegedly" so they can juice a story up to avoid leaving readers underwhelmed.
What Wootton has done to people has been awful. But that doesn't make it right then do the same to Wootton. It just keeps the cycle going and is hypocritical. If we want respectable and honest journalism, then that has to apply to everyone. I can't think many would be sad at the downfall of Wootton, I suspect most of us would think he's getting his just deserts, but these spates of score settling are unpalatable to me.
If they've got the evidence say it, but don't feed twitter with innuendo.

Rhondaa · 21/07/2023 15:02

MavisMcMinty · 21/07/2023 14:49

'Behold Wootton, a sideboard made of ham, with efit eyes, dropping quotable quotes so fast there was no way you could possibly digest the last one before the next one was being gnashed out through his veneers'

Yes Marina really displays classy and professional 'journalism'.

CarlosAlcaraz · 21/07/2023 15:06

@MavisMcMinty , same here

Iwantcakeeveryday · 21/07/2023 16:09

@MavisMcMinty that's such a great article!

The two crucial things about people like Dan is that they are, without exception, monstrous hypocrites – and they also reduce the world. Their entire business is making human experience smaller. There are about six or seven basic story templates into which they believe all other people’s lives must be squeezed, whether or not they want them to be. So to find the high priest of the reductive suddenly asking for an acknowledgment of complexity feels a little much.

Roussette · 21/07/2023 16:15

Great article. Wootton, after all, is a male Katie Hopkins and look what happened to her. One step too far and now an irrelevance. Let's hope he can join her in the irrelevant tent.

The articles he publishes and the people he talks about.. isn't 'news', it's nasty gossipy targeting of individuals whilst showing a fake concern for them.

The Sun is asking its staff to contact its lawyers if they have any information about the “very serious” claims

I doubt this would be offered if there was no truth to BTs articles.

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 21/07/2023 16:19

Thanks for the Marina article. 😄

ILikeDinosaurs · 21/07/2023 16:24

MavisMcMinty · 21/07/2023 14:49

And me. It's refreshing to read an op that mirrors what many of us think about him.

SerafinasGoose · 21/07/2023 16:29

Katie Hopkins was, indeed, a hate-filled, festering, spiteful agent provocateur. I always thought of her on a level par with likes of Piers Morgan, Jeremy Clarkson and Dan Wootton.

Note the difference. She was quickly put back in her box, ousted from her media posts and social media platforms, and ended up with no position left from which to speak. Who ever hears about her now?

The others are still frothing their bile on every platform that will give them a hearing. Which was most of them. Piers Morgan might have lost one job, but he's still (unfortunately) a prominent media figure.

As for the rumours about Wootton, these have been swirling around for so long now that they've almost become respectable. And yes, I'm aware I'm using that word about an incredibly unpaletable accusation. Nonetheless, when it comes to the behaviour of men, it's amazing how even the most egregious conduct is overlooked, explained away, excused, or met with a knowing look and the observation that 'it's all bound to come about them as soon as they're dead'.

Professional trolls, the lot of them. But to date only the female has been permanently silenced.

Roussette · 21/07/2023 16:36

That's interesting, of course @SerafinasGoose yes, just the female banished. Last I heard about KH was her boasting about flouting Covid rules whilst in Oz for Celeb Big Brother, and being deported!
I'm on Twitter and replied to one of her revolting tweets calling out her disgusting discourse, and it went viral like you wouldn't believe... I have never had anything happen like this before, it went across to the US and back again, and I think stopped on over 6,000 likes and retweets
My 15 minutes of fame 😂

SerafinasGoose · 21/07/2023 16:44

Roussette · 21/07/2023 16:36

That's interesting, of course @SerafinasGoose yes, just the female banished. Last I heard about KH was her boasting about flouting Covid rules whilst in Oz for Celeb Big Brother, and being deported!
I'm on Twitter and replied to one of her revolting tweets calling out her disgusting discourse, and it went viral like you wouldn't believe... I have never had anything happen like this before, it went across to the US and back again, and I think stopped on over 6,000 likes and retweets
My 15 minutes of fame 😂

Kin HELL.

Kudos, lady!