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Anyone got a Scout or Explorer going to WSJ in South Korea?

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lazylittlelucy · 16/07/2023 16:57

Just thought I'd start a thread for parents if there are any on here.
My 17yo DD is going as an Explorer and is getting excited now.
Anyone else?

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UsingChangeofName · 10/08/2023 22:33

This is doing the rounds on Facebook today.
A Parent has written it and told people to feel free to share:
(I don't know if it was one of you ? Smile

Where were the press? A parent’s perspective...it's long but worth a read I think! Feel free to share!
I notice that The Jeremy Vine Show featured an article about the UK Contingent leaving the World Scout Jamboree in South Korea due to the poor conditions on site. I’ve also seen lots in the press about the decision and many, many shares on social media.
But did the Jeremy Vine Show do a feature two years ago when those 4000 young people were selected to go and represent the UK at the event? Where were the press when that happened; where were they when droves of excited young people were leaving airports to travel to the event? These young people didn’t just ‘sign up’ for the jamboree - they were selected; they had to put in an application form, find referees and attend a selection event; some of them were as young as 12 at the time. Where were the press when they committed to fundraising the £4000 to go…when they did a sponsored cycle, when they baked late on a Friday night for a cake stall the following day, when they got up at 6am to attend a training camp, when they tried to advertise about their efforts to raise the money they needed? Where were the press then?
It’s been suggested in the media that the young people are middle class spoilt brats, who couldn’t cope when things got tough and went running to their helicopter parents - let me tell you - this is far from the truth. My daughter’s Scout Unit is in an inner city area of Newcastle - seven of them are attending the event; and the UK Contingent committed to help young people from all walks of life get to the jamboree by helping those most in need with their ‘Dream Fund’ which helped hundreds with additional financial support.
These young people are amazing - they have shown more resilience than many adults show in their whole lives; they have coped with the fundraising, the training weekends, the speeches in front of groups of adults about the event, the organisation of kit and the form filling to attend the trip. Where were the press then? These young people are the future of our nation - they are the industry leaders, the headteachers, the doctors, the scientists and the business people of tomorrow. And this will all be based on the skills that they have learnt on their journey to jamboree; the communication skills, the team work, the problem solving, the grit and determination to get to the jamboree no matter how high the hill they needed to climb. Where were the press reports about all these skills?
Where were the press when hundreds of adults gave up their annual leave to facilitate the young people taking part in such an opportunity? When they gave up countless weekends to run training camps, spent time away from their families and spent a considerable amount of their own money to attend the event; this wasn’t a school trip where adult places come for free. Where were the press when the leaders released statements to the media about the trip; when they invited them to the airport to see the young people leave; when they asked if they would help promote a fundraising moment?
Where were the press when the volunteer staff (who paid for the privilege) arrived at the site a week before the young people and had to wade through water to get to their tent; which had to be put on pallets because the ground was so waterlogged? Where were the press when these staff; many of whom are under the age of 25, worked 24 hours straight to help get the site ready for the young people arriving? All in the hottest heatwave South Korea has ever experienced, with insects which caused awful bites, not enough food and lack of sanitary washing conditions. Why didn’t the press report about that?
And yes the conditions may have been bad, yes the young people struggled to cope with the heat, the insects that crawled up their feet while they were showering, the cancelled activities (due to the heat) and the lack of shade. But when the decision was made that they would leave due to all these concerns; many of these young people cried - because they were so invested in this jamboree journey; because despite everything, what they wanted was to meet new people, to learn about other nations, to have the feeling of kinship and friendship that can only come with an event like this. Despite everything - they wanted to stay; they just wanted the conditions to be better.
And you know what - they coped; they adapted; they took the decision on the chin, made the most of their last few hours and once again showed the tenacity they had developed over the last two years. They didn’t know where they would end up - on a school hall floor, in a hotel ballroom, in a hostel or a hotel room; they didn’t know what they were going to do - no new activities had been confirmed at that stage; they took it in their stride and credit to them all. Where were the press then? Oh yes they were there - reporting about what a disaster it had been…well it wasn’t; because once again - those amazing Scout Leaders, adults and staff stepped up, changed the programme, adapted their roles and are delivering an amazing event that they have pulled out of the bag in a turn around of just a few days, well supported, I may add, by the South Korean local authorities and the British Embassy. Where are the press reports about that? Well, nowhere - because that would be good news, and as we all know, they seem to be only writing about the bad things.
Well done Unit Leaders, well done IST, well done CMST, well done young people…I, for one am in awe of all you have had to cope with and applaud your efforts in making this the most unique WSJ ever! And thank you - for being the best you can be and rising to the challenge. Hard times breed strong people
I’ve made this post public - so feel free to share.

#SkillsForLife

RedToothBrush · 10/08/2023 22:44

I think criticism of the press is really fucking unfair when it is the press who are likely to support the Scouts in terms of exposing what is clearly a massive political scandal at the expense of children who have invested so much financially and emotional in the event.

The Editorial in the Korean Times will apply pressure to the government which may ultimately end up with the UK scouts being reimbursed for the cost to them which will have an impact on ALL uk scouts for the next 3 to 5 years.

If they didn't report it, then no one would know nor care at all.

Perhaps the parent who posted that should consider the situation WITHOUT the press. Its not a situation which would be more beneficial to their child. Its pretty ignorant in its own right. I'm not terribly impressed to say the least. I just think its dim.

Its fair to say about the kids' determination, resilence and adaptability not being recognised, but the rest is rot.

CheersToMe · 11/08/2023 10:58

That's that then. 24WSJ done. Quite the ride. Thanks for your company, and special thanks to @RedToothBrush for the insights.

See you at the airport. Bring tissues to mop the tears Wink

MrsWombat · 11/08/2023 12:06

@UsingChangeofName I know what you mean about the press. Our local rags are going to be all over them when they return.

But where were they when they were fundraising, or doing amazing stuff like attending film premiers which would help draw attention to them, their fundraising efforts, and general scouting?

PuttingDownRoots · 11/08/2023 12:09

It would be fascinating it something like CBBC could follow a team from selection to actually going to the next jamboree or other international event.

Maybe the reason more leaders kids end up at these things is simply the kids know about it.

AnotherThingToThinkAbout · 11/08/2023 12:11

PuttingDownRoots · 11/08/2023 12:09

It would be fascinating it something like CBBC could follow a team from selection to actually going to the next jamboree or other international event.

Maybe the reason more leaders kids end up at these things is simply the kids know about it.

Maybe some areas are better at spreading the word than others? I know my nephew has several speaking commitments when he is back to tell other beavers, cubs, scouts about his experience.

They also spoke about what they were doing to the combined Scouts / parents at the St George's Day parade.

RedToothBrush · 11/08/2023 12:43

The local press here do loads about what Scouts do / are doing on a regular basis.

Thats an issue with the loss of local press if its not happening.

Besides do the only ones who have media have to be the ones who do Jamboree?

And a presentation to others very much is part of the international trips the kids do.

toomuchlaundry · 11/08/2023 12:51

@MrsWombat isn't that more for the scout group/unit to publicise. If the press are refusing to publish anything then that is an issue. However, the press won't necessarily know which scout groups had young people at the Jamboree. So the press will probably be camping out by the airport if they want to talk to scouts but they shouldn't be able to find out which scout groups had young people attending the Jamboree

PuttingDownRoots · 11/08/2023 12:51

Maybe its different in urban Scouts... we are a village troop and only see other groups at the annual district Cubs funday. There is more district level stuff for Scouts but we can often only send 2 or 3 people to those. St Georges went ages ago. Remembrance is just us.

AnotherThingToThinkAbout · 11/08/2023 13:16

PuttingDownRoots · 11/08/2023 12:51

Maybe its different in urban Scouts... we are a village troop and only see other groups at the annual district Cubs funday. There is more district level stuff for Scouts but we can often only send 2 or 3 people to those. St Georges went ages ago. Remembrance is just us.

True, it is possibly easier for urban scouts.

Wow to St George's, that is very much a three-line whip here! My kids are also Scouts and have only ever missed one for a funeral. When do they give out all the chief scout awards, DofE badges, leader awards if they don't do St George's?

PuttingDownRoots · 11/08/2023 13:21

I believe there is an annual presentation night. I only moved here two years ago and we are still in the post -Covid recovery phase.
Before that I only moved back to the UK in time for Covid to hit... and before that I was British Scouts Overseas which is a completely different set up due to distances involved!

toomuchlaundry · 11/08/2023 13:24

Our awards can be done at the AGM. Leaders seem to get the awards at St George’s Day but the young persons one seem to be a roll of honour only

AnotherThingToThinkAbout · 11/08/2023 13:24

PuttingDownRoots · 11/08/2023 13:21

I believe there is an annual presentation night. I only moved here two years ago and we are still in the post -Covid recovery phase.
Before that I only moved back to the UK in time for Covid to hit... and before that I was British Scouts Overseas which is a completely different set up due to distances involved!

Maybe the jamboree participants should speak at the annual presentation night then?

RedToothBrush · 11/08/2023 13:36

toomuchlaundry · 11/08/2023 12:51

@MrsWombat isn't that more for the scout group/unit to publicise. If the press are refusing to publish anything then that is an issue. However, the press won't necessarily know which scout groups had young people at the Jamboree. So the press will probably be camping out by the airport if they want to talk to scouts but they shouldn't be able to find out which scout groups had young people attending the Jamboree

And in fairness, this is where social media generally has taken over from the role of the local press.

RedToothBrush · 11/08/2023 13:41

AnotherThingToThinkAbout · 11/08/2023 13:16

True, it is possibly easier for urban scouts.

Wow to St George's, that is very much a three-line whip here! My kids are also Scouts and have only ever missed one for a funeral. When do they give out all the chief scout awards, DofE badges, leader awards if they don't do St George's?

No St George's here either cos its a pile of meaningless bollocks to the kids and both the kids and the parents resent it. Most of the other troops in district do it, but it stopped here before DH got involved in his current troop. So its been gone for well over a decade. The parade is centralised and a pain in the arse due to all the road closures. It takes over the entire day.

Rememberance is still very much a thing though - and the kids understand why its important. Plus its more local and ends up all being over by noon.

Chief Scout Awards are AGM. As are leaders' service awards or other presentations about what the group has got up to that year. Its a requirement to do the AGM so the group try and make it interesting and fun in various ways and as unavoidable as possible to avoid people not participating.

CoffeeWithCheese · 11/08/2023 15:04

Remembrance is the huge one here - but we have a lot of military families in the various age groups of Scouting and in the past we've had the kids all join in on the parade on the army base for it (which was mildly amusing watching my mate trying not to lose his shit directing parking for some of our more "entitled" parents).

St Georges is hit and miss who shows up for it - we quite often skip it - mainly because dealing with the entitled parking crowd fucks me off.

OnionBhajis · 11/08/2023 15:23

Wow. Prime minister spoke at closing ceremony but blamed the weather 🙄.

Anyone got a Scout or Explorer going to WSJ in South Korea?
RedToothBrush · 11/08/2023 20:55

AnotherThingToThinkAbout · 11/08/2023 19:29

Diary of a Swedish leader (they still sound exhausted in my opinion):

Sounds like the Swedish Scouts were bored onsite with so many things cancelled even after the Friday and were relieved to be evacuated.

The last line in reference to Tuesday - Friday is:
The camp already feel like a distant memory – like something I dreamt. I’m incredibly happy that my scouts are doing so much better.

But I'm not sure if thats a newspaper edit or genuine. It READS as if the decision to go offsite was an improvement as far as the writer was concerned.

Heard tonight that friend of kids we know ended up on an IV drip at one point before UK Scouts pulled the plug. (Ok now though).

OnionBhajis · 11/08/2023 20:58

Omg that's really frightening. Glad they're okay now!!

stealtheatingtunnocks · 11/08/2023 21:14

RedToothBrush · 11/08/2023 16:39

Lots of empty seats to the right on that photo

AnotherThingToThinkAbout · 11/08/2023 21:14

RedToothBrush · 11/08/2023 20:55

Sounds like the Swedish Scouts were bored onsite with so many things cancelled even after the Friday and were relieved to be evacuated.

The last line in reference to Tuesday - Friday is:
The camp already feel like a distant memory – like something I dreamt. I’m incredibly happy that my scouts are doing so much better.

But I'm not sure if thats a newspaper edit or genuine. It READS as if the decision to go offsite was an improvement as far as the writer was concerned.

Heard tonight that friend of kids we know ended up on an IV drip at one point before UK Scouts pulled the plug. (Ok now though).

Re the drip, I have actually heard more than one story like that of kids we personally know.

LucyLastik · 11/08/2023 22:00

One of ours missed the OC because they were in the medical tent on a drip. DS said before they were evacuated, he was almost there too.

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