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Ukraine Invasion: Part 43

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MagicFox · 08/07/2023 11:10

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blueshoes · 06/08/2023 15:58
  • Senior officials from reportedly 40 countries, including the US, China, and India, began talks in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia on August 5 aimed at drafting a set of key principles to guide the future settlement of the war in Ukraine.

The Saudi-hosted conference seems like a big deal if China, US and India are also attending. I believe it is to build support for Ukrainian peace plan and demand that Russia withdraw troops from its territory. The summit aims to nudge the Global South countries away from Russia.

I hope China attendance is beneficial and they do not use this platform to persuade Ukraine to give up territory for peace and they do not report back to Russia what other countries' position are so Russia can use this info to further manipulate the information and geopolitical space.

Igotjelly · 06/08/2023 18:41

Quite an entertaining latest The Easter Border podcast episode about Kristap’s experience of being arrested on the Ukraine/Moldova border after an interesting altercation with a drunk man in his underpants. Shows a bit more about what life on the ground is like at the moment and the levels of anxiety and paranoia.

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Igotjelly · 06/08/2023 18:43

Also recommend the latest episode of the Foreign Office with Michael Weiss about the ongoing intelligence war between East and West. They look at the Cold War and now and compare/contrast.

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ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 06/08/2023 22:49

WarFrontline
AT WarFrontline

A Russian channel reports that near Robotyne, Russian troops wanted to carry out an operation 'behind enemy lines'. Russian soldiers changed into Ukrainian uniform but were spotted by a Russian UAV who probably knew nothing about this. He mistook the Russian group for Ukrainian soldiers who were directly fired upon with artillery. Result, 32 deaths. After this, the Ukrainian troops also unraveled the artillery position of the Russians, which then came under fire. Result, 19 deaths.

The commander who gave the order to carry out the operation has fled and they seem to be looking for him.

https://twitter.com/WarFrontline

blueshoes · 06/08/2023 23:37

I am not unhappy about the Russian casualties but what a shitshow of an operation.

MissConductUS · 06/08/2023 23:48

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 06/08/2023 22:49

WarFrontline
AT WarFrontline

A Russian channel reports that near Robotyne, Russian troops wanted to carry out an operation 'behind enemy lines'. Russian soldiers changed into Ukrainian uniform but were spotted by a Russian UAV who probably knew nothing about this. He mistook the Russian group for Ukrainian soldiers who were directly fired upon with artillery. Result, 32 deaths. After this, the Ukrainian troops also unraveled the artillery position of the Russians, which then came under fire. Result, 19 deaths.

The commander who gave the order to carry out the operation has fled and they seem to be looking for him.

In addition to the friendly fire risk, had the Russians been captured, they would have had no protections under the Geneva Conventions and could have been shot as spies for wearing Ukrainian uniforms.

I'm not surprised their CO is missing. In addition to the losses, issuing an illegal order like this would get you a court martial in any civilized army. It's probably against the rules for the Russians too.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 07/08/2023 11:32

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-august-6-2023

  • Key Takeaways:
  • Ukrainian forces struck two key road bridges along critical Russian grounds lines of communication (GLOCs) connecting occupied Crimea and occupied Kherson Oblast on August 6, causing Russian forces to reroute road traffic from shorter eastern routes to longer western routes.
  • Ukrainian strikes on bridges along critical Russian GLOCs are a part of the Ukrainian interdiction campaign focused on setting conditions for future decisive counteroffensive operations.
  • Russian forces conducted one of the largest missile and drone strike series on Ukraine in recent months on the night of August 5-6.
  • Ukrainian officials stated that Ukrainian air defenses have destroyed 3,500 aerial targets since the beginning of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022.
  • International talks aimed at drafting the main principles for a future settlement to the war in Ukraine continued in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia on August 6.
  • Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov gave an unclear and contradictory answer to a New York Times reporter who asked whether Russia seeks to conquer more Ukrainian territory beyond the four partially occupied oblasts that Russia illegally annexed in September 2022.
  • Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations on at least two sectors of the front on August 6.
  • Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, in the Zaporizhia-Donetsk Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast August 6 and made advances in certain areas.
  • Russian military command finally allowed personnel of the Russian “Alga” volunteer battalion – which has been involved in the most intense combat on the frontlines in Donetsk Oblast since Fall 2022 – to return to Russia on leave.
  • Russian occupation authorities in Ukraine continue establishing institutional linkages between Russian and Ukrainian governance structures and social services in occupied Ukraine.
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ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 07/08/2023 11:44

Kyiv Independent Telegram

Risk of ‘big disruptions’ high in grain markets, says Black Sea expert https://kyivindependent.com/risk-of-big-disruptions-high-in-grain-markets-says-black-sea-expert/

⚡️Defense Ministry: Russia increasing https://kyivindependent.com/defense-ministry-russia-increasing-attacks-on-eastern-front/ attacks on eastern front.
Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Maliar said on Aug. 7 that Russian forces are "desperately trying to surround Avdiivka" in Donetsk Oblast and attempting to regain the positions around Kupiansk in Kharkiv Oblast that they lost last autumn during the Ukrainian surprise counteroffensive.

⚡️As 40 countries discuss https://kyivindependent.com/as-40-countries-discuss-peace-for-ukraine-medvedev-says-kyiv-must-beg-for-mercy/ for Ukraine, Medvedev says Kyiv ‘must beg for mercy.’

⚡️ Ukrainian military confirms https://kyivindependent.com/ukrainian-military-confirms-striking-key-russian-bridges-to-crimea/ striking key bridges to Crimea.
Ukrainian forces reportedly “hit two key (Russian) routes of communication” – Chornohar Bridge, which connects Ukraine’s occupied Kherson Oblast to Crimea, and a smaller bridge from the Ukrainian village of Henichesk.
The strikes have been set to disrupt Russian forces’ logistics and create further challenges for their operations on the southern fronts.

⚡️Media: China's role in peace talks may signal https://kyivindependent.com/media-chinas-role-in-peace-talks-may-signal-major-shift/ major shift.
Shen Dingli, an international relations scholar based in Shanghai, told Reuters that China needs to engage in international peace efforts because Russia is "bound to be defeated." [Like @blueshoes I have doubts]

⚡️ Zelensky: Russia attacked https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-russia-attacks-ukraine-with-65-missiles-over-hundred-drones-over-past-week/ Ukraine with 65 missiles, over 100 drones in past week.

⚡️ Military: Ukrainian forces destroyed https://kyivindependent.com/military-ukrainian-forces-destroyed-6-russian-ammunition-depots-military-equipment-over-past-day/ 6 Russian ammunition depots over past day, Brigadier General Oleksandr Tarnavskyi reported on Aug. 6.

⚡️Former MP killed in action.
Serhiy Slabenko, former member of Ukraine's Parliament, the Verkhovna Rada, was killed in combat at the Zaporizhzhian front, the government announced on Aug. 6.

Ragnar Gudmundsson
HIGHLIGHTS FOR AUG 7:
■ Troop losses reach 250k, of which 144k took place in 2023
■ Most combat engagements since May 20
■ Most equipment losses in dollar terms this month so far
■ Double-digit drone, missile, artillery & vehicle losses

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DesdamonasHandkerchief · 07/08/2023 11:53

Wow this from the Russian side, propagandist Skabeeva 'frightened and shocked' by the numbers of dead Russian soldiers, clip of her announcing the figures on tv in the link:

🇷🇺 social media record of combat deaths in 🇺🇦 . They say here they counted 284,000. That would suggests that Ukraine, far from bumping UP the numbers, is undercounting (nearly 250k deaths)

A reminder that Russia lost 15k soldiers (+35k wounded) in 20 yrs of war in Afghanistan

https://twitter.com/victoriaslog/status/1688271000188710912?s=46&t=eNB9C4pL0g2Opkl4oCmOsQ

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BezMills · 07/08/2023 12:17

yeah it's going to be a shock going from the 600 or so they were claiming a few months ago, to something approaching the real number.

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 07/08/2023 12:29

I'm a bit confused because I thought the Russian television presenters were essentially Putins monkeys. I didn't think she would be at liberty to share such demoralising numbers with the general populace. Its interesting they have taken the time and enormous effort to research and count these deaths. The fact they have even done that speaks volumes.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 07/08/2023 12:40

When you look at that clip - is she talking about Russian deaths or Ukrainian? Because she never actually says.

It would be much more in character for her to be claiming it's Ukrainian deaths, specially given Teplinsky's public comments that around 50% of the VDV were killed/wounded were deleted.

Having said that... perhaps the media handlers have decided to keep a low level shock value going, in case the leaders do decide to withdraw. Though so far there's no signs of that, so as usual you don't really know.

But that clip doesn't have the context of which country's deaths she's talking about.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 07/08/2023 12:49

UNITED24 Media Telegram

Germany's ruling party called for the first time to supply Kyiv with long-range Taurus missiles, — Der Spiegel.

❗️Germany is possibly ready to transfer Taurus long-range missiles to Ukraine, — head of the permanent delegation of the Verkhovna Rada to the NATO Parliamentary Assembly Yehor Chernev.

However, the German government has not yet confirmed this decision.

The fifth power unit of the ZNPP was transferred to a cold stop, — IAEA
As reported in the IAEA, "we decided to cool down the fifth reactor of the ZNPP to carry out repair work on the power unit, which is possible only in a state of cold shutdown."
This happened three days after the occupiers of the Russian Federation transferred the fourth power unit from a cold state to a hot one. Now, according to the IAEA, "steam from the fourth power unit is used to clean the wastewater of the ZNPP." The department also says that other reactors are in cold shutdown mode.

At the press conference, Putin said that "the extension of the grain deal is possible only after the fulfillment of all the conditions of the Russian Federation."

Putin may come to Türkiye at the end of August, — Hurriyet

In Saudi Arabia, most of the 40 countries have already decided how they will work for peace, — the Office of the President
The list of participating countries, which is not yet fully known:

▫️ from Europe — Bulgaria, Great Britain, Denmark, Estonia, Spain, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Germany, Norway, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Finland, France, Czech Republic, Sweden, EU as a union;

▫️ from the Middle East and Asia — Saudi Arabia, Australia, Bahrain, India, Jordan, Qatar, Kuwait, Union of Comoros Islands, China, Korea, Türkiye, Japan;

▫️ from Africa — Egypt, South Africa;

▫️ North America — Canada and the USA;

▫️ from South America — Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and the UN as an organization. Previously, the media called Mexico one of the participants, but it is not on the published list.

We want to control all territories written in the Constitution as ours, — Kremlin Speaker Peskov about Russia's plans to occupy Ukraine.
A New York Times reporter asked Peskov whether Russia is seeking to seize more territory in Ukraine.
He replied that the Russian Federation wants to control "only" Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, Donetsk, and Luhansk regions.
"No. We want to control all those territories now written in our Constitution as ours," said Peskov.

Ukraine shows how technology is changing military medicine. The Armed Forces already use large cargo drones to evacuate the wounded, capable of transporting cargo weighing 180 kg to a distance of up to 70 km, — The Economist

This is what the Chongar Bridge looks like after the hit

Consequences of hitting the bridge over the Tonka strait connecting Henichesk with the Arabat spit

Another exchange of prisoners took place — Ukraine returned home 22 fighters

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ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 07/08/2023 12:57

Live: Ukraine Telegram

🇨🇳🇷🇺The Wall Street Journal, citing officials and experts, writes that the navies of Russia and China this week sent the largest-ever flotilla to patrol off Alaska.
Eleven Russian and Chinese ships approached the Aleutian Islands, but did not enter U.S. territorial waters.

Peskov says Vladimir Putin will be re-elected in next year's presidential election with more than 90% of the vote

❗️During the week, Russian troops used 65 different missiles and 178 attack drones against Ukraine, President Volodymyr Zelensky reports.

Poland to hold the largest military parade since 1989
After a three-year hiatus, Poland is bringing back its Military Day parade. According to Polskie Radio, the military parade in Warsaw on August 15 will be the largest since 1989.
It will feature Polish, American, and Korean-made equipment, including the most modern. Along with Polish soldiers, the parade will be attended by troops from the United States, the United Kingdom, Croatia, and Romania."

The SBU detained a woman in Mykolaiv region who was passing on to the Russians information about Volodymyr Zelensky's estimated route during his visit to the region on July 27. This information was supposed to help kill the president. The agent also collected information about ammunition depots near Ochakiv and electronic warfare systems. She now faces 12 years in prison.

⚡️Since the beginning of the Russian invasion, Ukraine has liberated 2,598 soldiers from captivity. This is the data as of today, August 7.

"Oh. I can't wait to see the finished monument on August 24, Independence Day."

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DesdamonasHandkerchief · 07/08/2023 15:07

I think you're right Ducks Skabeeva was talking about supposed Ukrainian deaths so it's business as usual for the Kremlin propaganda puppets.

MMBaranova · 07/08/2023 18:48

What Russian TV talking heads say.

There’s nobody from The Party telling you what to do. There’s no clear Line to drop back on to guide you. There’s no political ideology.

There is contagious cohesion, groupthink, wanting to please the higher ups who can favour you. Yet it is all a bit chaotic.

Be a bit critical and you play a useful role in the studio. Be too critical and eventually you are arrested or exit via a window. Be a bit outrageous wanting punishment and blood and you get applauded.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 08/08/2023 08:40

@MMbaranova Be too critical and eventually you are arrested or exit via a window.

I wonder what exactly is going on with Girkin now and the shifting currents in politics, now apparently his faction can no longer protect him. What the implications of his arrest are and how they are playing out.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 08/08/2023 08:44

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-august-7-2023

Key Takeaways:

  • Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations on at least two sectors of the front on August 7.
  • Russian forces and occupation administrators continue to seek to mitigate the impact of recent Ukrainian strikes on logistics nodes along key Russian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) connecting occupied Crimea with occupied Kherson Oblast.
  • Russian opposition media outlet Verstka suggested that the Russian Investigative Committee and its head, Alexander Bastrykin, are directly involved in the forced deportation of Ukrainian children to Russia and the forced placement of Ukrainian children into Russian military training programs.
  • China's increasing misalignment with Russia on any settlement to end the war in Ukraine was reportedly evident at the talks in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia on August 5-6.
  • The Ukrainian delegation at the talks in Saudi Arabia presented a 10-point peace plan that reportedly included calls for global food security, nuclear safety, environmental security, humanitarian aid, and prisoner releases.
  • Ukrainian officials reported that Ukrainian and Russian forces conducted a prisoner-of-war (POW) exchange on August 7.
  • Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, along the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on August 7 and made advances in certain areas.
  • The Kremlin continues efforts to portray itself as adequately mobilizing the Russian defense industrial base (DIB) for a protracted war effort.
  • Russian occupation authorities continue to use maternity capital benefits to coerce Ukrainian civilians in occupied territories to accept Russian citizenship and increase social control in occupied areas.
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ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 08/08/2023 09:20

Kyiv Independent Telegram

⚡️The United States approved a shipment of the first batch of M1 Abrams battle tanks to Ukraine, U.S. Army Acquisition Chief, Doug Bush announced on Aug. 7. https://kyivindependent.com/pentagon-approves-first-batch-of-abrams-tanks-for-ukraine/

⚡️Reuters: Russian missile developer hacked https://kyivindependent.com/reuters-russian-missile-developer-targeted-by-north-korean-hackers/ by North Korea.
The computer networks of a one of Russia's top missile developers were breached by an "elite group of North Korean hackers," Reuters reported on Aug. 7.
According to Reuters, cyber-espionage teams linked to the North Korean government "secretly installed stealthy digital backdoors into systems at NPO Mashinostroyeniya," a major Russian weapons developer. [I'm sorry, that's hilarious]

⚡️Commander: Russia continues to use chemical weapons https://kyivindependent.com/commander-russia-continues-to-use-chemical-weapons-in-ukraine/ in Ukraine.
Russian troops fired two artillery barrages with munitions containing a chemical substance, presumably chloropicrin, on Aug. 6, according to Oleksandr Tarnavskyi, the commander for the Tavria military sector.

⚡️AFP: Poland accuses Belarus, Russia https://kyivindependent.com/afp-poland-accuses-belarus-russia-of-organizing-new-migrant-influx/ of orchestrating new migrant influx.
Belarus and Russia are orchestrating a new influx of migrants into the European Union through the Polish border, Deputy Interior Minister Maciej Wasik told AFP reporters on Aug. 7, as cited by the Guardian.
"We're talking about an operation organized by the Russian and Belarusian secret services that is getting more and more intense," Wasik said. [this has been going on for a long time. Clearly it's a deliberate plan. There are some extremely distressing stories of what's happening to the migrants]

⚡️Russian forces kill at least 11, injure 91 https://kyivindependent.com/russian-forces-kill-11-injure-91-over-past-day/over past day.
Russian forces attacked five oblasts over the past day, killing at least 11 people and injuring at least 91 others, according to the authorities on Aug. 8. Donetsk, Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkiv, Kherson, and Sumy oblasts came under attack.

⚡️Russian-led Orthodox Church metropolitan released from custody https://kyivindependent.com/russian-led-orthodox-church-metropolitan-released-from-custody/ Moscow-backed Orthodox Metropolitan Pavlo (Petro Lebid) was released from custody on a Hr 33.3 million ($290,000) bail, Lebid's lawyer Mykyta Chekman said on Aug. 7.

What are some of the criticisms of Ukraine’s decommunization process?
Check out the latest episode of our video podcast “This Week in Ukraine” on any audio platform, or watch here to find out. s

⚡️Russia has damaged over 760 cultural heritage sites https://kyivindependent.com/russia-has-damaged-destroyed-over-1-100-cultural-sites-in-ukraine-since-feb-24-2/ in Ukraine since Feb 24.

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ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 08/08/2023 12:54

UNITED24 Media Telegram

At the meeting in Saudi Arabia, the participating states did not reach an agreement on all points of President Zelenskyy's "peace formula", the dialogue on controversial issues continues, said the head of the President's Office Yermak.
He noted that the clause on the territorial integrity of Ukraine is indisputable

The US plans to announce a new $200 million aid package to Ukraine today, — Reuters
The publication reports that the Biden administration is also preparing a request to Congress for additional funding. The new aid package to Ukraine is expected to include anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, artillery, ammunition, and missiles for HIMARS.

Ukraine is planning two "peace summits" according to the "Zelenskyy Peace Formula", the second — with the participation of the Russian Federation
This was stated by the head of the President's Office Yermak during a conversation with journalists in Kyiv, the correspondent of "European Pravda" reports.

The 47th mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed a Russian attack helicopter Ka-52 from a portable anti-aircraft missile system near Robotyne, Zaporizhzhia region.

The USA officially approved the transfer of the first batch of M1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine. They should arrive in early fall. The kit includes ammunition, spare parts, equipment, and fuel.
In total, the USA agreed to transfer 31 tanks to Ukraine.

Romania will help Ukraine with the export of grain after the withdrawal of the Russian Federation from the grain agreement, — the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Luminița Odobescu in an interview with Politico.
Zelenskyy warned that if the Kremlin persists in attacking Ukrainian ports and maintains control of the Black Sea by using missile blockades, Ukraine will retaliate in a justifiable act of self-defense

An explosion at the port of Derince in Türkiye damaged 13 of 16 grain elevators.
Ten people were injured. The detonation of grain dust was previously cited as the cause.

Since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, Russia has removed from storage more than 40% of old tanks and armored personnel carriers from the most extensive base of preserved equipment, "Vagzhanovo" in Buryatia.
According to estimates by The Moscow Times, about 3,840 units of armored vehicles were stored in Vagzhanovo five months before the full-scale war. Already in May of this year, there were about 2,270 of them.

Unilever continues to operate in Russia. It has paid an estimated $331m in taxes to the terrorist state and for which it has been labelled an International Sponsor of War.
Activists from @solidarity_ukr are protesting Unilever in Borodianka, amidst apartment blocks wiped out by Russia. They are urging @unilever to leave the Russian market and stop sponsoring the war. And so are we.

Damaged Turkish grain elevators.

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ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 08/08/2023 13:06

Live: Ukraine Telegram

🇨🇳 After the summit in Saudi Arabia, China assured https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/wjbzhd/202308/t20230807_11123381.shtml** Russia that it remains "impartial" about the war in Ukraine, will uphold an "independent position" and will "actively promote peace talks."

❗️Preliminarily, the cause of the explosion in the port of the Turkish city of Derince was "detonation of grain dust," said the governor of Kocaeli province. Final conclusions will be drawn by the investigation. Currently, 10 people are known to have suffered burns. No one is trapped under the rubble of the destroyed elevators.

Russian propagandist Khodakovsky shares insight into the situation at Urozhaine, saying that Ukrainians are past the minefields to the north of the village. This person should not be believed, but his tone suggests the situation for Russians is getting more and more complicated.

🇵🇱 Poland's Defense Ministry has agreed to send https://www.pap.pl/aktualnosci/news%2C1606164%2Cwiecej-zolnierzy-przy-granicy-polsko-bialoruskiej-decyzja-szefa-mon.html** an additional thousand troops to the border with Belarus following a request from the border guard service.

🇩🇪 The German Ministry of Economy has announced (https://www.bmwk.de/Redaktion/DE/Pressemitteilungen/2023/08/20230807-deutsche-investitionen-in-der-ukraine.html) the expansion of the state investment guarantee program for German companies that decide to invest in Ukraine.
This decision stipulates that the German government will now cover not only property losses up to the total loss of investment, but also conversion and transfer risks for interest payments on investment-like loans

Since the beginning of the year, Ukraine has quadrupled the production of Stugna-P anti-tank missile systems.
The Stugna-P is a Ukrainian development of the state-owned Kyiv-based Luch design bureau.

Here is a clear explanation of how destroying Ukrainian grain and ports pushes poor countries to starvation.

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ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 08/08/2023 18:06

Unconfirmed rumours an anonymous country has bought 50 Leopards for Ukraine (as you do, you know)

MissConductUS · 08/08/2023 19:25

It's been ages since I've posted a WSJ article about the war, so here's a good one about the effect cluster munitions are having on the battlefield. One point the article doesn't really make is the positive impact this is having on ammunition supply. The Ukrainians were supply constrained with standard 155mm artillery rounds, using them faster than they could be manufactured and shipped. The US has millions of CM artillery rounds in stock, and the Ukrainians are using them to eliminate the Russian artillery forces.

It's hard to overstate the importance of this. Since WW2 the Russians have had an artillery-centric offensive doctrine. They're pretty much a one trick pony in this regard. Now that they are losing their artillery advantage, they have nothing to fall back in in terms of ground combat.

U.S.-Made Cluster Munitions Fuel Ukrainian Counteroffensive - Bombs are destroying Russian trenches and artillery systems in an area where Kyiv’s troops had struggled to advance

Aug. 8, 2023 7:23 am ET

ZAPORIZHZHIA, Ukraine—Newly delivered, American-made cluster munitions have given fresh impetus to Ukraine’s campaign to retake territory captured by Russia, after weeks of little progress.

Ukrainian soldiers say they have used the cluster bombs—which release dozens of smaller bomblets and can cause devastation over a broader area than ordinary artillery shells—to hit concentrations of Russian infantry, groups of vehicles and other targets, clearing the way for ground advances.

Kyiv’s counteroffensive operations have struggled in the face of wide minefields and Moscow’s superior air power, which have impeded large-scale efforts to use Western-supplied tanks and armored vehicles to reach and punch through lines of entrenched Russian forces.

While the cluster bombs alone won’t tilt the battlefield balance of power decisively in Ukraine’s favor, soldiers say they have helped them retake Russian positions that they had struggled to reach.

The munitions have been coupled with a change in tactics, which has allowed Ukrainian troops to advance to within striking distance of the main Russian defensive lines in some places. That progress has come with substantial casualties.

“The cluster bombs are good. They are effective,” said Capt. Anatoliy Kharchenko, commander of a reconnaissance company. “But the Russians are dug in deep, and they learn quickly.”

Kharchenko said Russian trenches can be 7 feet deep and that the Russians are adapting by spreading their troops more thinly to avoid heavy losses.

Recent fighting around the village of Robotyne, southeast of Zaporizhzhia city, has demonstrated the effectiveness of the new weapon in Ukraine’s arsenal.
In late July, a platoon was pinned down east of the village, taking heavy Russian fire. The unit radioed its commander, asking to withdraw. He told the platoon to take cover instead. Cluster bombs flew overhead. One soldier said he heard what sounded like rain, followed by chaos on Russian radio channels.

“They were yelling, ‘We have lots of wounded. We need to evacuate. We’re pulling back,’” the Ukrainian soldier said. The platoon moved forward to capture the Russian position, soldiers said.

Ukraine still hasn’t reached the most formidable Russian defenses, a series of trenches, tank traps and other barriers. Military experts say Ukraine likely will need its Leopard 2 tanks and other Western-provided armored vehicles to push through those lines.

To preserve those vehicles, which it was losing in numbers in minefields in early June, the Ukrainian military switched tactics. Now, infantry—bolstered by reserves called in from other units—are leading the advances through minefields on foot.

In concert with the strategic changes, soldiers said, Ukrainian forces now believe they have a chance for a breakthrough.

Last week, as the 16-member platoon of Oleksandr, a 33-year-old infantry private, advanced toward a Russian position, it came under heavy fire from Russian machine guns. The Ukrainians were forced to retreat.

Then Ukraine hit the tree line hiding the Russian forces with cluster munitions. Brush and grass caught fire. When the next assault began, Oleksandr could see the Russians he was firing at, who were no longer concealed in the scrub.
His platoon captured the position, killing about 12 Russians and taking several others captive. The prisoners had suffered concussions and burns from the cluster bombs, he said.

“With the cluster bombs, you fire three times and the trees totally collapse,” he said, adding that there was less incoming fire after the cluster attack. Because the munitions cause damage across a wide area, he said, they didn’t need to be as accurate to be effective.

“Even if you miss a little, it still works,” he said.

Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges, a former commander of the U.S. Army in Europe, said the U.S. sent cluster munitions instead of more howitzer ammunition, which is running low in the West. He expected cluster bombs would be more effective. They were designed for an army that was outnumbered, as Ukraine is now.

“Part of the way you deal with mass formations is with this scatterable munition,” he said. “If you’re sitting in an open trench, you’re going to pay a huge price due to these things.”

Videos posted recently on social media show Russian soldiers with half a dozen small wounds after Ukrainian cluster munition attacks. Hodges said the bombs also fit with what he saw as a shift in Ukrainian strategy to target Russian artillery pieces.

“These will really knock out artillery as long as they can reach it,” he said.
The weapons are banned by more than 100 countries, and the U.S. decision to send them to Ukraine was heavily criticized by humanitarian groups. Not all the bomblets detonate right away, and they sometimes injure people who come upon them years later.

Russian forces have been using cluster munitions throughout the war: The white shell casings that carry them stick out of fields around the country. Ukraine also used them at times last year, according to a United Nations report.

A soldier in an artillery unit who has fired the cluster munitions said they were most effective in fields, where they dispersed over a wider area.

“Cluster munitions are important, but they’re not a turning point,” he said, adding that it was important to have different kinds of artillery for different situations.

Usually, infantrymen said, artillery units fire a mix of different munitions at a Russian position before they advance on foot. Still, the human cost of the progress around Robotyne has been steep.

“We’re demining the fields with bodies,” said a platoon commander from another of the newly formed, Western-trained brigades. “It’s awful.”

U.S.-Made Cluster Munitions Fuel Ukrainian Counteroffensive

The bombs are destroying Russian trenches and artillery systems in an area where Ukrainian troops had struggled to advance.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-made-cluster-munitions-fuel-ukrainian-counteroffensive-c45c305f?mod=djem10point

blueshoes · 08/08/2023 22:40

MissConductUS, thanks for the wsj article. Cluster munitions are just the thing when Ukraine is so outnumbered and exposed in the offensive.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 09/08/2023 00:48

A depressing opinion piece from Euromaiden Press:

Four unnerving signs for Ukraine as it heads for fall

The forthcoming fall and winter will be critical for Ukraine and, therefore, Europe. If Russia can destroy Ukraine’s air defense, the West will need to reconsider its stand on military intervention.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/08/07/four-unnerving-signs-for-ukraine-as-it-heads-for-fall/

Feeling a bit despondent after reading this.

Why don't we give Ukraine what it needs for an effective counteroffensive.
The promised tanks seem to be dribbling in, late and in tiny numbers and the West are still fannying about deciding how many and where pilots will be trained on F16's. It's all too little to late.

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