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It’s an A&E one…

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LawyeredUp · 29/06/2023 23:10

I genuinely never thought I’d start one of these threads, but here I am!

I don’t think it needs a trip to A&E, but could do with the reassurance.

DS is 2 (27 months). He was picked up from nursery by his nanny and got the bus home. Unfortunately the bus was packed so when getting off, she went forwards with the pushchair rather than backwards. And the pushchair fell off the bus with DS in it.

He cried for a couple of hours and couldn’t put any weight on his legs. Once I got home, he calmed down with me after around half an hour, but was still upset at times. He started to cheer up a bit, and I gave him some calpol, after which he was back to himself.

Except he can’t put weight on his legs. He can move them and as we were playing whilst he was lying down, he was happily and easily kicking them around (calpol would have kicked in). I’ve bent them both in different angles and there’s no issue, but he’s not standing. I think his legs are simply sore, as surely it would be obvious if it was a break right?

No obvious head injury (told there were no marks on him right after) and once he calmed down and the calpol kicked in, he had food. He’s still up now (I’ve wanted to keep an eye on him) and for all intents and purposes, he’s himself, apart from not being able to stand properly. It’s a big pushchair and he was buckled in, but I think the shock together with hurting his legs was hugely distressing for him and also he needed his mum, hence why he was upset for so long.

I don’t think it needs A&E, as I’m not too worried about his legs. Maybe see how he is in the morning?

OP posts:
Original poster
LawyeredUp · 30/06/2023 23:51

CC4712 · 30/06/2023 23:40

This is the type of thing I meant OP for holding people in place- sometimes 2 are used. I'm surprised they required a human to hold down your child instead of these, but I haven't worked in this area for many, many years.

Definitely not offered. I suspect perhaps they don’t deal with many small children who need an X-ray but don’t have a parent with them that can go into the room to help.

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excab · 01/07/2023 00:08

I am glad your son is okay 💐. My DC are grown now but I can honestly say that I know for a fact I would not have wanted to keep on a nanny who had made this kind of mistake. She should really have gone straight to A&E and asked you to join her there. She should have been able to give a clear explanation of what happened. She should have been willing to stay on the bus to the next stop if it really was unsafe to dismount forwards. Why was she not assertive enough to ask another passenger for help? I do not recall ever dismounting a pram forwards without assistance from someone else.
I don't think you have mentioned anywhere that she has apologised to you. Your DS is too precious to take that risk again.

neilyoungismyhero · 01/07/2023 00:15

Emptychairdoasolo · 30/06/2023 23:47

So you’re not judging yourself but you’re judging the nanny? The bus was too busy to turn around the pram, she had no choice but to go forward and the pram obviously had weight pulling it forward, very easy for it to be pulled by gravity out of her hands. If you’re going to judge anyone judge the people on the bus that didn’t offer to help her lift the pram down.

You made the call at first yourself that it didn’t need A&E attention, she made the same mistake as you did. I guarantee that woman feels absolutely beside herself and adores yourself.

The OP has already said she isn't judging the nanny for anything other than not contacting her after the incident when the child continued to cry.

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Okaaaay · 01/07/2023 00:15

Jeez some of these replies. I also have a child with a viral wheeze and I’m super conscious of not being ‘that mum’ in ED with them all the time. Sometime I overreact and have them checked by the GP when actually they’re fine and managing the wheeze, once I didn’t react quickly enough and they ended up in HDU. You’re doing your best OP and I 100% understand why you didn’t take him to ED. Accidents happen (I had some near misses when on and off buses, trains, escalators involving buggy’s whilst doing runs multiple times a day). Please check in with your nanny who must be feeling awful and vulnerable. Disregard the most polarised of posts on this forum - you child will be fine, hugely unfortunate but accidents happen and we’re not perfect.

Hollyppp · 01/07/2023 00:28

Hmmm I would think twice about keeping that nanny

Heckythump1 · 01/07/2023 06:27

Wow, I'm really shocked by so many of the replies here! Some people being downright nasty to another Mother!

My DD fell running down a slope at the park when she was just turned 3, she cut her knee pretty badly and refused to put any weight on it, she's known for being drakatic so we weren't fussed and didn't go to A&E until the next day when she still wasn't putting weight on it. She was indeed just being a little drama queen, no broken bones and she started walking as soon as they put a big old bandage on her knee!

I'm also surprised by people's reactions on the poor Nanny. It was a bloody accident, she didn't throw the poor kid off the bus! Clearly a lot of you haven't been on a bus with a pushchair!

OP glad your little one is ok and on the mend, please don't beat yourself up over this, you're not a bad mother at all. ♥️

Bunnycat101 · 01/07/2023 07:26

@LawyeredUp please don’t let this thread get to you. There has been a strong narrative over the past few years of ‘don’t go to A&E’ and it means people do doubt themselves.

I posted the link to the toddler fracture information a few pages ago and it doesn’t surprise me that’s what happened. I’m sure your little one will be up and about soon. Mine was walking and lugging her cast around within about 10 days. I found it so distressing in the days after her accident so please take care of yourself and don’t re-read the thread.

Realfastfoodie · 01/07/2023 10:18

Okaaaay · 01/07/2023 00:15

Jeez some of these replies. I also have a child with a viral wheeze and I’m super conscious of not being ‘that mum’ in ED with them all the time. Sometime I overreact and have them checked by the GP when actually they’re fine and managing the wheeze, once I didn’t react quickly enough and they ended up in HDU. You’re doing your best OP and I 100% understand why you didn’t take him to ED. Accidents happen (I had some near misses when on and off buses, trains, escalators involving buggy’s whilst doing runs multiple times a day). Please check in with your nanny who must be feeling awful and vulnerable. Disregard the most polarised of posts on this forum - you child will be fine, hugely unfortunate but accidents happen and we’re not perfect.

Indeed. Those of us not blessed with a reasonably well child are constantly making fine judgements, most of which involve trying not to make yet another late night A&E dash.

LatinForTelly · 01/07/2023 11:24

So pleased things are (mostly) ok and your DS will heal soon, OP. I read the thread the other day and checked back in to see if you'd updated (though I wouldn't have blamed you for not!).

I too have one child with an ongoing condition often needing hospital stays and have underreacted twice in the recent past (once with that child, once with their sibling) to accidents they've had.

We are all human, and like others have said, are trying not to "waste" doctors' time. It's sometimes a hard call to make. I'm glad you got some help from here and sorry you had to cope with vitriol from some posters. Take care of yourself.

Yeahyeahno · 01/07/2023 11:38

Don’t be surprised if you are referred to social services. This is standard for breaks where you don’t know exactly what happened.

Qilin · 01/07/2023 11:49

Ducksurprise · 29/06/2023 23:53

Call 111, they will call you back at some point. They can book in an appointment at urgent care. Nowadays A&E is really only for life and death

Do you know what the A stands for.
Yes A and E are often busy these days but they are not just life and death situations at all.

Original poster
LawyeredUp · 01/07/2023 11:59

Yeahyeahno · 01/07/2023 11:38

Don’t be surprised if you are referred to social services. This is standard for breaks where you don’t know exactly what happened.

I’m sure many of you are praying for that to happen.

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swimminginthesun · 01/07/2023 13:11

Yeahyeahno · 01/07/2023 11:38

Don’t be surprised if you are referred to social services. This is standard for breaks where you don’t know exactly what happened.

Don’t be ridiculous. She does know what happened! They’re not going to call social services unless they think it wasn’t an accident or the child is regularly presenting at A&E.

OP, please ignore this kind of shite.

swimminginthesun · 01/07/2023 13:14

@Ducksurprise A&E is not just for life and death. It is the right place to go for a suspected broken bone.

Munchyseeds2 · 01/07/2023 13:23

It was just an accident, these things happen.
In similar circumstances, years ago I had a call from the HV, pretty standard I think
You are not a bad mother for sure.

excab · 01/07/2023 14:37

Qilin · 01/07/2023 11:49

Do you know what the A stands for.
Yes A and E are often busy these days but they are not just life and death situations at all.

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A push chair toppling off a bus is an 'accident'.

wildfirewonder · 01/07/2023 16:16

This thread has been very strange, but I'm glad the child was finally x-rayed and treated.

I don't understand this justification for not going to A&E promptly Apart from being unable to stand because being unable to stand is clearly stated as reason to go to A&E.

I also don't understand the nanny's behaviour, she was really irresponsible IMO, and then the parent was very lackadaisical.

But the main thing is the child is ok now, I'm glad of the update.

Yeahyeahno · 01/07/2023 16:26

Don’t be ridiculous. She does know what happened! They’re not going to call social services unless they think it wasn’t an accident or the child is regularly presenting at A&E. OP, please ignore this kind of shite

@swimminginthesun sorry if you think it’s rubbish but I’m speaking from first hand experience. You don’t need to be quite so aggressive do you?

Catsanfan · 01/07/2023 16:28

I took my child to A&E twice on the same day for 2 different things once. No-one called social services

Yeahyeahno · 01/07/2023 16:29

@Catsanfan good for you. I was just warning up not to worry if it happens because it sometimes does. All the anecdotal stories in the world won’t change that

swimminginthesun · 01/07/2023 16:56

Yeahyeahno · 01/07/2023 16:29

@Catsanfan good for you. I was just warning up not to worry if it happens because it sometimes does. All the anecdotal stories in the world won’t change that

I didn’t see you telling her not to worry. Your original post didn’t read like that at all.

Catsanfan · 01/07/2023 17:01

@Yeahyeahno I was trying to be reassuring, surely thats obvious?! I don't think scaremongering is helpful

Qilin · 01/07/2023 17:07

Excab - for the purposes of medical treatment falling from a pushchair and being unable to weight bear is indeed an accident which warrants a visit to A&E.

I also very much doubt the baby did it on purpose. The op says both her and her Dh have had similar incidents which were near misses.

H0210zero · 01/07/2023 17:48

It's not always obvious at that age so I'd take him to be 100% sure. Not weight barring is often the only sign. We don't even know how my neice broke her arm and only realised she wasn't using it, doctor said it had probably been broken 2 days prior and she could have just briefly cried and appeared fine after. She ende duo in surgery to rebreak it. So don't take chances.

NeedToReboot · 01/07/2023 18:09

User57632678372 · 30/06/2023 16:16

I may be incorrect but I don’t think they can show CCTV to anyone other than the police.

Family member asked for CCTV of an incident outside of a tube station last year and was told no due to data protection, but that they’d provide it to police should a report be made.

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They won't share the CCTV but they will check it at your request and send you stills of relevant images if needed (they blur out other people)
We had to do this recently when a family member had a fall on a bus, knocked their head and couldn't remember what happened - we were sent a series of photos taken off the bus CCTV to show what happened.

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