It’s an A&E one…

[LawyeredUp]

I genuinely never thought I’d start one of these threads, but here I am!

I don’t think it needs a trip to A&E, but could do with the reassurance.

DS is 2 (27 months). He was picked up from nursery by his nanny and got the bus home. Unfortunately the bus was packed so when getting off, she went forwards with the pushchair rather than backwards. And the pushchair fell off the bus with DS in it.

He cried for a couple of hours and couldn’t put any weight on his legs. Once I got home, he calmed down with me after around half an hour, but was still upset at times. He started to cheer up a bit, and I gave him some calpol, after which he was back to himself.

Except he can’t put weight on his legs. He can move them and as we were playing whilst he was lying down, he was happily and easily kicking them around (calpol would have kicked in). I’ve bent them both in different angles and there’s no issue, but he’s not standing. I think his legs are simply sore, as surely it would be obvious if it was a break right?

No obvious head injury (told there were no marks on him right after) and once he calmed down and the calpol kicked in, he had food. He’s still up now (I’ve wanted to keep an eye on him) and for all intents and purposes, he’s himself, apart from not being able to stand properly. It’s a big pushchair and he was buckled in, but I think the shock together with hurting his legs was hugely distressing for him and also he needed his mum, hence why he was upset for so long.

I don’t think it needs A&E, as I’m not too worried about his legs. Maybe see how he is in the morning?

Sorry to hear about your child’s fracture. DS age 2 broke his leg jumping off a bed. I was with him but not supervising in that moment (it was his umpteenth time jumping off a very low bed). This was 4 years ago. We did in fact get a call from social services. I assured them I would of course supervise better in the future 😇and that was it. So don’t worry if you do get a call. Hospitals probably refer certain things as a matter of procedure.

Shouldn't you be at the very least calling 111 and checking with them? They would likely get you an out if hour GP appointment if not advise to go to A&E.
Side note, never understood "I gave him calpol and he is calm" obsession.

Haven't read every post but have seen your updates and glad it's ok, also didn't know about toddler fractures but makes sense.
What you have to remind yourself about MN is that there are some very helpful, smart people on here, and also some not-so-helpful, not so smart ones, who are sadly the price of admission.
I know it's easy to say when I'm not the one getting threatened with social services by randoms on the internet. But try to ignore them, they have nothing better to do than wind you up, which is very sad, but not your problem.

I'm glad your son is ok.
re the nanny. This bit worries me.

I don’t know what happened. She seems to have panicked and hasn’t really been able to answer my questions about how did it fall, did he hit his head? The pushchair fell face forward so she’s didn’t see what he actually hit.

From your account, it sounds like (this is what I'm imagining) that she pushs the chair forwards off the bus,
the front wheels are hanging in mid air because the pavement isn't there
as she continues to push the weight of the chair and the child tip it forward
so it lands smack down on its open front with your child facing the ground.
It's possibl that the handles etc caught on the pavement but its lucky he didn't break his nose if that impression I have is right.

I would be concerned that the nanny didn't give you straight answers to your questions
either this is because she is scared and lied because she knows how bad the full story would sound or
it is because she is in a panic state and can't remember.

either way its not what you want for a person looking after your child.

Mistakes happen - even bad ones - and this sounds fairly bad - but what you need is someone who takes control, takes steps to correct and it stays calm.

She should have taken him straight to a& E and called you immediately I think.

Not being able to tell you exactly what happened is very bad I think.

Ringing 111 and being triaged effectively would be better than asking mumsnet.

I hope your little boy is on the mend soon
those who think you are a “bad parent” are obviously perfect🙄
many years ago my daughter jumped from some soft play equipment said her arm hurt but I did that “magic mum kiss it better” and sent her back to play,it was only later when we popped to see her dad on way home that we noticed it was now shaped like a banana (it wasn’t earlier on) anyway she needed an operation to sort it.
I didn’t get a call from ss but this was a long time ago.
try not worry about the catty comments

One of my kids broke an arm and I didn't realise for several hours. I was mortified and the A&E doctor reassured me by saying one of his colleagues had his child walking round on a broken leg for several hours before he brought him in for an xray. I think these things can present differently in young children so you were right to go to A&E and I'm pretty sure they have seen and heard worse.

I hope he's doing OK. Mine loved his plaster cast and got really annoyed when people wanted to draw on it or sign it. All grown up now and it wasn't any lasting damage.

I would take him to a and e as he could have damaged his pelvis

@LawyeredUp kids don't come with a hand book. You followed your gut and did what you thought was best. It's all anyone can ask. Your nanny probably concentrated on your DS and "forgot" in the moment to ring. I work in nursery and I've done it. You focus on the injured child, first aid and phoning the parent occurs to you after you know it's nothing too serious.

OP please don’t worry, my DC has had two breaks and we’ve never heard anything from social services. I think if he’s under a certain age you may get a phone call from the health visitor, but that’s standard.

Crowded bus aside, I do think it was a pretty major error on the part of your nanny. Buggies always need to be tipped back when bumping down steps etc or failing that I would have grabbed the buggy either side and lifted it off without tipping.

Wither she’s just really young and inexperienced but I suspect she just has a lack of basic common sense and this would worry me too.

op I’m a doc married to a Gp. Many years ago our ds fell off a wall. I took him to A&E where he pushed a toy supermarket trolley round the department while we waited. The junior doc who saw him clearly thought there was nothing wrong with him , and only did an x-ray because I insisted. We knew about greenstick fractures - and he did indeed have a greenstick fracture of his radius.
If we hadn’t had that knowledge we may well have not done anything about it.
Social services wouldn’t be interested.
Medical advice on here is often complete nonsense

Take him to a&e

I’m sorry to hear that your little boy has a fracture. You made an initial error in judgement but you don’t sound like a neglectful parent, very much the opposite. My daughter fell and landed on her wrist. She cried briefly. Her wrist wasn’t swollen and was sore only when squeezed. I took her to the GP who said it was not broken as she was using it. A week later she still said it hurt when squeezed. The GP still believed no fracture but sent us to A&E for an X-ray as a precautionary measure. Even the A&E Dr believed it was fine as she high 5’d him on arrival. The fracture on her wrist was very clear to see even to me on the X-ray. Children do present differently and in my daughters case it was only due to my feeling that there was something wrong that she received treatment.

When my 98 year old Mum is ill I call 111. I have never been able to get through so end up calling 999 so I agree with you about the 111 service. You are a good mother, if you weren't you wouldn't have had the courage to put this on Mumsnet, but tried to hide an unfortunate mistake, yes we all make them.
Your son is being cared for, you've spent hours sorting the situation, good for you.

Hi Op, glad to hear you got everything sorted and your son is ok now.

You are not a bad mum, far from it! You were calm and measured and did what you thought was best for your child. and in the end, you got it all sorted, good for you!

some people are just plain nasty and enjoy fighting a the good fight behind their keyboards. Ignore them xxx

So many fractures get diagnosed in the days after they occurred, vs the day of the injury. It’s very common for multiple reasons.

Exactly. Ffs there is nothing in how you dealt with this OP that suggests you are anything other than a loving on it parent. There are some loons on here and I don’t doubt the mere mention of a nanny sets some off to tear you down…

Hope your little fella heals well and your pregnancy is good.

Go to A and E.

Go to A and E.

Read the thread. OP has been.

On page 5. You don't think somebody might have suggested this before? And obvs haven't read op's updates where she did in fact take the child to A&E. Yesterday.

Thank you so much! Where would I be without your snarky updates! ❤

Great to hear your little lad will be fine and doesn't need treatment.

I hope you work thru things amicably with the nanny.
tbh, it sounds like a stupid maneuvre me or DH would have done, so I'd have pretty soft views on blaming her, too.

That’s obviously an A&E visit, I’d have gone as soon as I saw he couldn’t weight bear. If he has a fracture and it’s not helped quickly he may need surgery. Why wouldn’t you go?! I hope he feels better!

I haven’t read the thread

but I doubt people want you to be referred. It’s just we do that in almost every case of injury to a child. Doesn’t mean anything. But some places do it every time and some are a bit more lenient

I think you’ve done wonderfully! Accidents happen and you did what you thought was right. Don’t beat yourself up. Life is hard sometimes and I’m sure your little one is very very much loved 😂