Paris Mayo convicted of murder (TW)

[Whitakers]

NB v distressing content

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/23/teenager-guilty-baby-herefordshire-hide-pregnancy-paris-mayo

The jury was asked to consider an alternative verdict of infanticide but found her guilty of murder. I’m surprised by this- surprised she wasn’t just charged with infanticide in the first place, to be honest. It’s a terrible case.

Yes but she wasn't psychotic why have you decided she was?

Because this poster can't handle the idea that a girl/woman can do something evil while in their right mind.

Now you are fabricating ,you have decided she must have been psychotic when she did this despite no evidence to.the contrary

We obviously weren't subject to all of the detail (rightly), but things like saying she left the bin bag on the front doorstep for her to mum to find as she knew she would suggests she knew her mum would be a support of sorts. She wasn't scared and hid the body as is usually the case, she also brazenly asked her brother to take the bag out and claimed it was full of sick; again, there would be every chance he would find poor Stanley and this was in the immediate aftermath. You could argue this wasn't the actions of someone sane, or you could say it wasn't the actions of someone so terrified of their family's reaction that they had to conceal and hide this child.

Well fathers can’t get psychosis from being pregnant/in childbirth, so no.

No.it isn't you have just decided she was .

Jfc even the murderer hasn't tried to claim psychosis.

It is emphatically not true that this case means infanticide will no longer be available as an alternative verdict in cases where a mother kills a newborn. Please, don’t spread disinformation.

Again there was no evidence she wss psychotic other than you stating she must of been.

So conflicted about this. She’s a similar age to my dd who would probably think and say that we, her parents wouldn’t support her even though we would.
Id like to think she would never do something like that but who knows what a terrified and irrational teenage brain is capable of in times of extreme stress.

But the fact she did 2 different violent things to kill him and he would have died a horrible death-the jury will have their reasons for delivering that verdict. I’m sure it wasn’t easy.

Here’s the link showing delusions are part of psychosis. I’m not fabricating.
https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/psychosis/symptoms/

Yes there is. I have listed the evidence-—

pregnancy denial- delusion.
psychiatrist noted false memories- trauma plus delusion

These are common in women who develop psychosis during pregnancy

I can’t believe anyone could find any sympathy for her.

She should be locked away for life. That punishment isn’t harsh enough.

How do you know? You cannot know the future. It is quite possible given the miscarriage of justice that has occurred with Mayo.

Being in denial isn't the same as delusion.

I actually disagree, I think there's far more risk of it being taken off the table for future cases if its applied where it shouldn't be.

No. I'd consider a boy/man doing this to be much more calculated in their actions because, let's face it, boys and men can simply walk away from any babies they don't want.

I don't need links thanks im.well aware of what psychosis is and im well.aware new mothers can develop.post partum psychosis
However there is no.evidence that she was psychotic other than you deciding she must have been .

I know because this verdict hasn’t changed the law. The infanticide legislation remains and will until parliament repeals it. Juries do not make law.
I will give you this much credit; I think your ignorance is genuine. But disinformation is damaging whether the person spread it is doing so deliberately or not. Please do stop. It helps no one.

But pregnancy denial is a specific, and well documented delusion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_pregnancy

Being in denial.about a pregnancy doesn't make it a delusion .

There is evidence. I disagree. I have pointed out the evidence you just can’t see it. You’re not even acknowledging that psychosis can emerge during pregnancy. It’s not always post partum.

It can be and Mayo exhibited many of the symptoms of pregnancy denial- the well documented delusion that is a type of psychosis that affects most especially pregnant young teens.

I completely agree. She knew what she was doing.

How terrible to murder her baby. I hope that she won’t have any more kids in the future. She needs to be kept away from children for ever.

In certain cases yes. I know you're really keen to push your agenda here but it's doing a disservice to those who genuinely suffer with this to suggest that someone who says they didn't know for sure because they didn't take a test was in the same frame of mind as someone genuinely suffering with it. Even PM herself isn't claiming to have been.