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Ukraine Invasion: Part 42

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MagicFox · 24/06/2023 13:32

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ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 01/07/2023 12:45

Amispringy · 01/07/2023 12:33

I'm always interested in twitter activity which always aligns with russian problems

Currently loads of cut and paste jobs on how residents love their new apartments. --Built on the bodies of Ukrainians

Something brewing for Mariupol

Oh? you think they could be emphasising how wonderful life is in mariupol to soften the remaining inhabitants up for removal?

Amispringy · 01/07/2023 13:06

I'm not nearly clever enough to figure out what they're up to

Maybe when Ukraine liberates Mariupol they want to show that the Russians were the ones making life better for inhabitants

They're so morally corrupt I can't figure out what they plan, but the twitter traffic usually precludes some Russian loss

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 01/07/2023 13:31

fingers, toes and .. um, I ran out of other things to cross, but would if I could!

PerkingFaintly · 01/07/2023 14:31

Amispringy · 01/07/2023 13:06

I'm not nearly clever enough to figure out what they're up to

Maybe when Ukraine liberates Mariupol they want to show that the Russians were the ones making life better for inhabitants

They're so morally corrupt I can't figure out what they plan, but the twitter traffic usually precludes some Russian loss

Is "precludes" a mis-type for "is a prelude to"?

That's fascinating, if so. Thank you for tracking this stuff so I don't have to.

Amispringy · 01/07/2023 17:06

Yes preludes.

MissConductUS · 01/07/2023 18:05

It's been a while since we heard from the WSJ, so I thought I'd share this about Ukraine's current operational strategy, The discussion of the role of long-range fires is timely because there have been very strong signals that the US will supply ATACMS. These are an excellent complement to the Storm Shadow cruise missiles because they are surface to surface, can be fired from existing HIMARS vehicles, and are ballistic rockets, not jet-powered. That means they arrive on target much faster than a Storm Shadow would.

Ukraine Hits Russian Defenses From a Distance Before Risking Troops - With ground counteroffensive stalled, Kyiv tries to interrupt the Kremlin’s supply lines and degrade its forcesUpdated June 30, 2023 10:42 am ET
A VILLAGE NEAR THE SOUTHERN FRONT, Ukraine—The Russian soldiers scurried into a building carrying a rocket-propelled grenade launcher. From his command post a few miles away, Ukrainian Sgt. Heorhiy Volkov was watching a live feed from an aerial drone.

Volkov, the drone team’s commander, called an artillery unit.

“Smash it,” he said.

Ten minutes later, a shell crashed through the roof of the house, 2 miles south of the front line in the southern Zaporizhzhia region. Three Russians ran out, tracked by the drone as they fled down the street.

This is what the pause in Ukraine’s counteroffensive looks like. After encountering stiff Russian resistance to their initial ground assault earlier this month, Ukrainian commanders have largely held off sending large infantry formations and Western tanks to assault Russian positions.

Instead, Kyiv is making targeted strikes, trying to soften Russian defenses for the next attack.

Ukrainian forces are using long-range Western weapons to hit Russian supply lines deep in occupied territory. Last week, British cruise missiles struck a key bridge that the Kremlin has used to move supplies from Crimea—which Moscow seized in 2014—to the front lines in southern Ukraine.

But they are also trying to degrade the first lines of Moscow’s defenses along the front—using cheaper weaponry to hit Russian artillery pieces, ammunition depots and electronic jammers, and mapping which fields are mined.

They have also continued probing attacks, retaking the village of Rivnopil this week, although some other forays yielded little. Ukrainian officials have offered mixed assessments of how the assaults are faring so far. Some have pointed to the gains, promising more to come as the bulk of Western-trained and -equipped forces are still in reserve. Others say they are proceeding slowly to avoid heavy losses amid a lack of European and American weaponry, making clear the importance of more deliveries for both Kyiv and its allies.

“The offensive isn’t going very fast because we’re trying to save the troops,” said a 49-year-old member of Volkov’s drone team, who goes by the call sign Bourgeois. “It takes some time to prepare the ground. We need to destroy as much as possible before sending the troops in.”

After striking the house with the RPG-launcher, half a dozen men crowded around a large screen in the nondescript farmhouse that they had turned into a command post. Six other men hunched over on benches looking at feeds from other drones. The windows were blacked out and the walls covered with notes: Call signs, code words for reporting enemy activities, children’s drawings of Ukrainian soldiers, a KFC sign. One man slept on a bunk bed in the corner.

They watched as the three Russian soldiers ran into another house. The camera zoomed in.

“That’s a satellite dish,” one skinny soldier who goes by the call sign Vito said, leaning forward toward the screen. “And the windows are covered.” It was a Russian command post.

They sent new coordinates to the artillery unit, then watched as shells began hammering the area around the house—one struck a nearby house; several others landed in an adjacent field—but not hitting it.

Finally, a shell hit the command post. “Jackpot!” Bourgeois said.
The Clear Eyes drone team has spent the past month trying to prepare the ground in a few villages in the Zaporizhzhia region. Kyiv is hoping to break through Moscow’s defenses in the region and cut off the land bridge that connects Russia to Crimea.

In the weeks before the counteroffensive began, the team set up the farmhouse command post more than 10 miles from the front line and began mapping the area. If a drone caught sight of a tank driving through a field, that meant the field wasn’t mined. If a truck came and went from one house, they suspected it was an ammunition depot. They marked all of it on maps on tablets that are shared with a brigade working in the area.

Still, when the ground assault began early this month, Volkov said, the Ukrainians were “kind of shocked” by the extent of the Russian defenses. At least three defensive lines were prepared. Trenches had been dug with tractors and reinforced with concrete. Hiding spots had been prepared for tanks and other vehicles. Paths were paved with gravel, so heavy vehicles wouldn’t get stuck in the mud during rainstorms.

“It was simple stuff, but when it’s all combined, it’s a big defensive system,” Volkov said.

After taking a few villages in the area, Ukraine paused the large-scale ground assaults. Since then, the Clear Eyes team has been part of a nonstop cat-and-mouse game: The drone operators try to find and hit Russian equipment, while the Russians try to take the drones down.

Still, when the ground assault began early this month, Volkov said, the Ukrainians were “kind of shocked” by the extent of the Russian defenses. At least three defensive lines were prepared. Trenches had been dug with tractors and reinforced with concrete. Hiding spots had been prepared for tanks and other vehicles. Paths were paved with gravel, so heavy vehicles wouldn’t get stuck in the mud during rainstorms.

“It was simple stuff, but when it’s all combined, it’s a big defensive system,” Volkov said.

After taking a few villages in the area, Ukraine paused the large-scale ground assaults. Since then, the Clear Eyes team has been part of a nonstop cat-and-mouse game: The drone operators try to find and hit Russian equipment, while the Russians try to take the drones down.

Before the sun comes up each morning, the team has several drones in the air—usually several small commercial propeller drones, plus sometimes more advanced drones, including an American-made RQ-20 Puma, which looks like a tiny airplane and can fly much further. Pilots fly the drones from a couple of miles behind the front line.

At the command center, five TV screens show feeds from half a dozen drones, some of them controlled by other nearby Ukrainian units.

A Russian prisoner, captured in the first days of the counteroffensive, drew Ukrainian forces a map of the village the team is surveilling. But they don’t call the artillery teams unless they have confirmed the target with drone footage. Ammunition is limited, according to Ukrainian commanders.
“It’s a very long process—watching, analyzing, over and over,” Volkov said. “The enemy is also learning, changing places, hiding underground more.”

Last week, one propeller drone hovering low over the village caught sight of a hole in the roof of a building. Inside it, the operators saw tank ammunition.

When the artillery team hit the house, it set off a massive explosion.

“It was burning until the next morning,” Bourgeois said. It was the fourth storehouse the team had hit in the area, he said. The previous week, they had hit another one, after the Puma drone with thermal vision had spotted two trucks at the edge of a tree line and soldiers unloading supplies.

Last week, however, the team lost the Puma when Russian jamming equipment cut off their contact with it, leaving them without any advanced night vision.

The Clear Eyes members were civilians when the war began, and most knew little about drones. Volkov worked in marketing. Another 41-year-old team member was a metallurgist and competitive bicyclist. Bourgeois ran a chain of sex shops.
They buy the drones with donations and are reluctant to send them out in conditions where they are likely to be lost.

One night last week, Volkov called an artillery team, asking if someone would be available early the next morning. Vito had gone through satellite footage and found a few spots in an area a dozen miles from the front where he thought Russians could be firing heavier artillery that was hitting Ukrainian units at the front.

Volkov wanted to send an A1-CM Furia—which can fly farther before it needs a battery change—to take a look at the area, but told them he wouldn’t do it unless an artillery team was prepared to strike if they found something. They promised him they would be ready.

The next morning, a three-man team launched the Furia from a field several miles from the front. As it flew south, deeper into Russian-held territory, its camera caught sight of the next line of Moscow’s defenses: miles of barriers called dragon’s teeth, along with more antitank trenches.

Nikita Nikolaienko and Serhii Korovayny contributed to this article.

Ukraine Hits Russian Defenses From a Distance Before Risking Troops

With ground counteroffensive stalled, Kyiv tries to interrupt the Kremlin’s supply lines and degrade its forces.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-hits-russian-defenses-from-a-distance-before-risking-troops-26cd2502?mod=djem10point

notimagain · 01/07/2023 18:57

@MissConductUS

on the last thread we discussed possible Ukrainian counters to the Russian use of attack helicopters and I predicted that they'd attack the airfields they were operating from. You suggested that surely the Russians would be smart enough to disperse them. They weren't. The airfield in Berdyansk, where many of the rotary wing devils were based, was hit by a missile attack.

..and hopefully their learning curve will continue to be flat...

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 01/07/2023 19:18

Twitter may not be around much longer. It depends what 'temporary' means.

For this thread it means we are not going to be able to get information and considered thought in the same way. It will impoverish the thread but unless this ' temporary' limit is lifted fast, there's no alternative

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-66077195

Twitter has applied a temporary limit to the number of tweets users can read in a day, owner Elon Musk has said.
In a tweet, Mr Musk said unverified accounts can read up to 600 posts a day.
Verified accounts are limited to reading 6,000 posts a day, while newly unverified accounts can only see 300 posts per day, he added.

Mr Musk said the temporary limits were to address "extreme levels" of data scrapping and system manipulation.

The Twitter logo at its corporate headquarters in San Francisco

Twitter temporarily restricts tweets users can see, Elon Musk announces

Elon Musk says verified accounts can read up to 6,000 posts a day while unverified ones are limited to 600.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-66077195

PerkingFaintly · 01/07/2023 19:23

I can't read Twitter at all any more.

I don't mean that metaphorically.

I mean, I click the Twitter links of on this thread and it redirects me to a home page where I have to log in. As I don't have a Twitter account I can't read them.

For quite some time, my reading of Tweets had been restricted to just the actual Tweet listed plus a few replies; then I would get the log-in demand.

But now I can't read anything.

blueshoes · 01/07/2023 19:32

PerkingFaintly · 01/07/2023 19:23

I can't read Twitter at all any more.

I don't mean that metaphorically.

I mean, I click the Twitter links of on this thread and it redirects me to a home page where I have to log in. As I don't have a Twitter account I can't read them.

For quite some time, my reading of Tweets had been restricted to just the actual Tweet listed plus a few replies; then I would get the log-in demand.

But now I can't read anything.

Same here. I now have to log in. This restriction started about 2 days ago. I have not been able to read Twitter links (well not until I get an account or login via facebook or google).

PerkingFaintly · 01/07/2023 19:38

Elon wants our data... Sad

prettybird · 01/07/2023 19:40

I can't remember my log-in details so since yesterday I have had to check the tweet reference, go to my Twitter app and then search for that.

Except I can't even do that now Hmm

Apparently the "600" limit includes everything you've scrolled past - only I'm not even sure I'd done that Confused - I tend to only go to Twitter to look up a specific thing. Confused

So much for Twitter being the quickest way to get updates (eg on traffic conditions, road or school closures) out Angry

PerkingFaintly · 01/07/2023 19:44

I don't have a limit of 300 or 600, or whatever. My daily limit is 0. I can't scroll past anything, because I can't see anything.

And I wasn't reading or scrolling past 300 tweets before this latest change, either. I could read a single thread of tweets by one person, and then a few replies, and then up came the blocker.

jgw1 · 01/07/2023 19:49

Strange business model to restrict users access to a service that relies on eyeballs looking at adverts.

blueshoes · 01/07/2023 19:54

jgw1 · 01/07/2023 19:49

Strange business model to restrict users access to a service that relies on eyeballs looking at adverts.

True. That is why I am hoping the restrictions are temporary.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 01/07/2023 20:06

Im logged in and can't see jack shit either.

Fuck's sake, what the blazing hell is he doing buying a platform like this and tanking it into zero.

MissConductUS · 01/07/2023 21:11

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 01/07/2023 20:06

Im logged in and can't see jack shit either.

Fuck's sake, what the blazing hell is he doing buying a platform like this and tanking it into zero.

I'm logged in and am seeing my usual Twitter feed.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 01/07/2023 21:43

do you pay? if you don't pay you might only be able to see 600 posts then trouble

MissConductUS · 01/07/2023 22:06

No, I just have a bog standard free account. I don't really scroll twitter much and I only follow a few accounts.

prettybird · 01/07/2023 22:14

MissConductUS · 01/07/2023 22:06

No, I just have a bog standard free account. I don't really scroll twitter much and I only follow a few accounts.

Ditto - yet I'm still restricted Confused

Dh has found that if he goes onto his laptop as opposed to his phone/the app and look at Twitter via Tweetdeck, he's not yet restricted Confused

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 01/07/2023 22:56

PerkingFaintly · 01/07/2023 19:23

I can't read Twitter at all any more.

I don't mean that metaphorically.

I mean, I click the Twitter links of on this thread and it redirects me to a home page where I have to log in. As I don't have a Twitter account I can't read them.

For quite some time, my reading of Tweets had been restricted to just the actual Tweet listed plus a few replies; then I would get the log-in demand.

But now I can't read anything.

Same for me.

Shame about Twitter; it used to have some useful stuff on it.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 01/07/2023 23:02

Very. Tim White's reporting, Chris_O, Kamil (carefully); Mick Ryan, General Hertling, so many others.

If Musk relents on this and Twitter limps on, the writing is on the wall anyway.

prettybird · 01/07/2023 23:16

There's Mastadon as an alternative but it will take time to get up to speed.

Although if Musk continues fucking around with Twitter the way he is, then Mastadon may get up to a critical mass sooner rather than later Hmm

Dh has it but is finding it difficult to navigate at the moment. Part of that is just because it's different.

TrustThePlan · 02/07/2023 00:51

jgw1 · 01/07/2023 19:49

Strange business model to restrict users access to a service that relies on eyeballs looking at adverts.

Not if you're Elon Musk. This is what the smartest and richest person brings to the table. I am in awe at his abilities.

Ihatepickingausername3 · 02/07/2023 06:43

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 30/06/2023 15:39

Good job I checked as I'd misrembered what he'd said. He said that worse case scenario for Zapphorizia would be around 100th of the event at Fukishima not Chernobyl. So on a scale of 0 to 100 with zero being nothing happening and 100 being Chernobyl, he believes Fukishima would be a 10 and worse case at Zapphorizia would be a 0.1.

I know the thread has moved on but I wanted to say thank you. I have name changed, but was following for quite a while before and I still drop in here l, when I’m a bit worried and want cool heads and facts.

So thank you all very much!