Missing Titan Sub! Thread 4

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As thread 3 is filling up here is a new one. For the benefit of those just joining the conversation;

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Yes we know they're billionaires
We can discuss things that are horrifying and ghoulish, thanks for your opinion.
Migrant boats are sad too

As you were 😁

Yes I am well aware of that. I meant the other men.

On their twitter it looks like the press conference is scheduled for 8pm our time?

I don’t think it’s insensitive, and I agree. Sometimes discoveries and significant progress come from awful circumstances, such as the knowledge about how to treat trauma victims coming from war inc the Falklands.

The equipment is obviously a lot more efficient than I’d realised. I had read a lot suggesting that debris can move a lot under the water if there are strong currents but that seemingly has not happened. But I’m glad that it appears that the families won’t have to wait too much longer for some answer, at least.

All experts have said this was the most likely outcome based on the depths and concerns of the integrity of the sub. I think sadly it's now clear there are no survivors and families will be being told what they've found before it's publicly available, exactly the way it should be. It will be possible to some extent by the level of scatter and the form of the debris what has probably happened.

A terrible tragedy but hopefully a lot will be learnt from it.

The debris field has been found near the wreck of the Titanic, which is 4km down. But SOSUS - Wikipedia as someone posted earlier is always listening.

Carbon fibre tends to fail suddenly and explosively. It's very stiff and has no give until it goes completely.

Does an implosion make much noise? It's something collapsing in on itself - wouldn't any noise be muffled?

That's not the case at all. Here the police and investigative authorities release information as appropriate and recognise that public interest in something shouldn't negate the need to follow correct protocol as not to jeopardise an investigation. They ask people not to speculate because frankly some people are selfish, spiteful idiots. In the case of NB where people were carrying out their own investigations, prying into her private life and making accusations directly to her loved ones was absolutely vile. Not the same as this really but I hate this notion that the UK is so backwards for stuff that's perfectly reasonable.

I'm impressed they've found anything at all. I thought the Titan, if not found intact at the surface or tangled in the wreck of Titanic, would never be found.

I imagine the sound of metal tearing or bolts coming out would make some noise. Whether it would have been enough to be detected, I don't know. Plus it would have been quick so may be easy to miss any sound?

Wow basically now confirmed on Sky

America does seem to be home of the conspiracy theories.

Idk, I think if something is heavy and on the sea floor it's not going to be moved by a current. Titanic debris is still lying where it fell over a hundred years ago. Things floating in the water column will be moved but even a very strong current is only max 5mph so if they imploded quite near to the bottom the debris isn't going to travel far before hitting the floor.

Ah - thank you @smooththecat - I hadn't reached your post when I queried how much noise.

That is a bleak outcome that I hadn’t thought of, heartbreaking if that did happen. I hope very much if it is the sub, as seems likely, that the implosion happened on Sunday when contact was lost.

You aren't kidding! All of the stuff down there, currents, etc - I thought that we'd never know what happened to them.

seriously get sky news on

There is a massive amount of energy involved. It took 37 milliseconds for the USS Thresher to implode, captured by SOSUS.

Basically it makes a big bang.

An implosion can be a sudden catastrophic event like crushing a beer can and there will be a lot of sudden noise from it.

Due to pressure, a small pin hole leak can fill the vessel until pressure is equalized inside and out - no implosion, just a filling of the vessel with high velocity cold water (high enough velocity to pass though skin and bone) until all vacant space is driven out by water. This scenario has occurred with deep ROVs previously and the in some cases the ROV was recovered revealing exactly what happened at 3000 feet.

Maybe the debris field is the balast, after they lost power and jetisoned the weights and they are still bobbing about helplessly in some below surface currents...

Oh man, this is sad. I really hoped for a miraculous rescue.

Just watched the confirmation on sky news. It sounds as if it was quick. 😞

Just confirmed, it is indeed Titan. I'm glad it was quick - that's all we could have asked for at this point.

Rest peacefully all crew, my thoughts to everyone, the families and especially the poor 19 year old with his life ahead of him who was probably too excited to really understand the magnitude of what he was getting himself into.

Also huge respect to all involved with such an enormous rescue effort. I hope scientific knowledge will be gained from this for future potential events...

... and most of all in a world full of war, conflict and struggling it's nice to know so many people can come together, including millions of well wishers, to show humanity when we need it most.

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Mark Austin just said "we understand the debris field contains part of the missing vessel"

I have been completely engrossed in these threads all day and have hardly accomplished any work. I wanted to express my gratitude to all the highly knowledgeable MNetters who have made such captivating contributions!!