Over sexualising in RSE

[Catsanfan]

Please someone tell me this isn't true: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12189041/Twelve-year-olds-taught-anal-sex-school-nine-year-olds-told-masturbate.html?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=DailyMailUS%2Fmagazine%2FTop+Stories&fbclid=IwAR3WuJOPuV--qT9HzYzF_w29zp_45vPHslHRYrD_gNsNg5c4dEM8UQ1YMxg

Sorry for mail link. The masturbation photos make me want to hurl, my 10 yo has RSE tomorrow and I am completely freaking out!

[LifeInAHamsterWheel]

@Charley50

Whoever said anal sex should be normalised; no it shouldn't! There are young girls and women presenting with serious injuries from anal sex, probably boys too, I don't know. Lots of coercion happening. Anal sex should be something adults do (if they want to) after they have spent some years getting to know what they like and don't like. It's being pushed on teenagers because of porn. It's not a necessary part of a sex life, why's it taught to kids? Ditto, fisting, ditto, strangulation. Unless it's mid to older teens being taught that they can say no, and how harmful these things can be, it shouldn't be taught. Im someone who had almost zero sex Ed, but a healthy and fun sex life since aged 17. Adults don't belong in children's private lives like this. Gross

^^ This 10000%

[AlisonDonut]

@whatthefreshhell

No school lets an outside provider teach anything they haven't seen an verified. And no school refuses to share the contact of their curriculum with parents.

Tell that to Clare Page who lost her case last week...to see...the contents...of the SRE curriculum...

[whatthefreshhell]

@SmurfetteSalad

@whatthefreshhell our school were not going to show us all the materials until MANY parents complained.

I am genuinely shocked at this. I teach and we have a completely open policy with parents about the curriculum . unless there are specific safeguarding concerns it makes no sense not to.
And if Oftsed came in they would want evidence that the school knew what was in their curriculum

[RegionalFish]

I'm sorry but who in the the history of man / woman kind needs to be taught how to masturbate by their school teacher? 😂😂😂Ditto anal sex. People find out eventually.

(Young) people aren't stupid, they figure these things out (hormones!!!!!) by themselves and with the help of their peers. I mean just how did humankind manage to procreate before sex ed in the 21st century? Once hormones kick in the rest follows.

What we do not need is grown ups who are eager to talk about sexy sex with kids in the classroom where the teacher holds all the power and kids are in a setting where they are told what to do. It is absolutely inappropriate to talk about sex in such a sexualised way in school.

[Catsanfan]

@RegionalFish thank you so much, I think that is a huge part of my concern, put far better than I did

[fiftyandfat]

@whatthefreshhell

No school lets an outside provider teach anything they haven't seen an verified. And no school refuses to share the contact of their curriculum with parents.

Clare Page's experience is reported on the SSA website with a link to the article in the Telegraph. She is not the only parent who has expressed concern about the material provided by companies paid to cover PSHE in schools.
Have a look at Jigsaw and No Outsiders. Drag queen story time for reception children. Just give 3 examples.
Are you really confident that you can speak for ALL schools in the UK?

[RegionalFish]

Thanks @Catsanfan

The kids have no choice when they sit with 29 hormonal peers having to listen to their teacher who holds the power in the classroom talk about sensitive sexual topics.

Such a set up violates the child's dignity because the child is not permitted to leave if they feel uncomfortable that choice is not given to them.

If sex information was provided factually, discretely within small single sex groups by a no nonsense school nurse in an evidence based manner and if attending such information groups was voluntary I'd be more comfortable with it.

Talking to 9 year olds about DIY sex is suggestive and therefore it is grooming.

[jojo2202]

@DizzyRascal

FML I have heard it all. Boys won't stop asking girls to have anal sex so schools have a duty to explain what it is? So, validating it for young people then?!
Schools have no business talking to children about wanking, anal, or any other explicit sexual practice.
Reproduction, contraception, consent and relationships ( particularly red flags for abuse). Thats it.
I knew what anal sex was at 12 , knew gay men did it, but if my TEACHER had started talking about it like it was all fiiine I might have thought it was going to be expected!
Oh, and I told my kids the basics of what sex was and how babies were made really young- because they asked. 10 year olds are not asking how to wank. FFS.

did you ever tell them masturbation was ok, natural and not dirty? because i grew up thinking it was totally disgusting and girls shouldn't do it. I honestly thought something wrong with me.

[whatthefreshhell]

@fiftyandfat

Clare Page's experience is reported on the SSA website with a link to the article in the Telegraph. She is not the only parent who has expressed concern about the material provided by companies paid to cover PSHE in schools.
Have a look at Jigsaw and No Outsiders. Drag queen story time for reception children. Just give 3 examples.
Are you really confident that you can speak for ALL schools in the UK?

I am shocked at the Clare Page story, will read further
you are right - I am not able to speak for all schools.
I think that the Daily Mail story is wildly inaccurate. I also feel that in lots of cases we let our young people down by outdated sex education that is not keeping pace with the world of social media they live in.

[Catsanfan]

@RegionalFish Again, thank you. We are so on the same page.

[RegionalFish]

@jojo2202

did you ever tell them masturbation was ok, natural and not dirty? because i grew up thinking it was totally disgusting and girls shouldn't do it. I honestly thought something wrong with me.

Your parents told you masturbation was disgusting and girls shouldn't do it when you were 9 /10/ 11? Then your parents were abusive.

[ConstableGoody]

@RegionalFish

Your parents told you masturbation was disgusting and girls shouldn't do it when you were 9 /10/ 11? Then your parents were abusive.

In many religious communities this wouldn’t be uncommon.

[RegionalFish]

If you are part of a restrictive, shaming conservative religious community, you have bigger problems than masturbation. If a random teacher told such a kid masturbation is aokay, that child wouldn't not believe it anyway and feel conflicted rather than reassured.

[AlisonDonut]

@whatthefreshhell

I am shocked at the Clare Page story, will read further
you are right - I am not able to speak for all schools.
I think that the Daily Mail story is wildly inaccurate. I also feel that in lots of cases we let our young people down by outdated sex education that is not keeping pace with the world of social media they live in.

How wildly inaccurate bearing in mind they mention the Clare Page case that you said 'never happens'?

Do you think the Daily Mail designed those resources themselves and put them online and took photos to pretend these exist?

[whatthefreshhell]

@AlisonDonut

How wildly inaccurate bearing in mind they mention the Clare Page case that you said 'never happens'?

Do you think the Daily Mail designed those resources themselves and put them online and took photos to pretend these exist?

I did not say the Clare Page story never happened. In fact I have back tracked, said I am shocked and said I will look further.
the Daily Mail however are not known for their accurate reporting.

[AgenceGrateau]

You need to get over to lalalaletmeexplain's stories on Instagram. She's currently explaining why sec education is necessary, what's appropriate and how it should be covered in an age appropriate way - she's a former social worker and sex educator.

instagram.com/lalalaletmeexplain?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

The mail is taking this massively out of context.

[lurchermummy]

My DD was traumatised by sex Ed lessons at age 14 but couldn't bring herself to tell me at the time. And all that involved was putting condoms on bananas, I fear talk of anal sex would just about have finished her off. It's so unnecessary. I agree with sex education but do they really need all this information at that age??

[AlisonDonut]

@whatthefreshhell

I did not say the Clare Page story never happened. In fact I have back tracked, said I am shocked and said I will look further.
the Daily Mail however are not known for their accurate reporting.

Much as I hate the Daily Mail, on this topic they have actually been spot on. I am genuinely wondering which bits you think have been made up. They named the companies, on whose websites you can find the numbers of schools they work with. The point is that it has all been done under the radar hence Clare trying to gain access through the courts.

Just remember their intellectual property is more important than kids education. That's how embedded this all is.

[Catsanfan]

I'm truly thankful for the majority of the support. Thank goodness so many people agree

[User9779]

@Crustsamongus

I firmly believe that knowledge is power. Teach kids about what it involves and what it should not involve and you're equipping them with the knowledge to assert their boundaries. It's not like boys will stop suggesting having anal sex to girls if it's never discussed in school. Also, some gay men have anal sex, so I feel it would be wrong to only talk about vaginal penetrative sex.

No "young girl" should be having any type of sex btw. Language matters.

I consider 16 to 18 year olds to be young girls. Anal sex is dangerous and given how popular it is in porn, girls and boys should be taught that it not infrequently leads to lifelong injury to girls and women. I heard a whole radio programme about it, including an interview with a surgeon who has to try to deal with the consequences and she said that those injuries can't be fixed through surgery, and she's seeing a big increase in young women coming forward with injuries. Girls and women are far more likely to be injured than gay boys/men are, because of a difference in that part of the body in the different sexes, apparently.

[Mischance]

The problem with sex education in a class situation is that it cannot be specific to each child's needs and stage of development. Every child is ready to hear different things at different times.

Whatever they are taught they are left imagining their parents doing these things and young people do find this hard. It is the one subject that is not taught by seeing and doing so that is in itself a challenge for teachers.

Sensitivity and proper communication with parents is vital.

[MrsOvertonsWindow]

Absolutely Mischance. Which is why sex ed should be "conservative", focused on the information that children need and are entitled to before embarking on adult life. The desire of so many of these groups is to train children into lowering their instinctive boundaries & accept every type of niche sexual practice that as consenting adults they may, or may not, choose to engage in.

[DizzyRascal]

did you ever tell them masturbation was ok, natural and not dirty? because i grew up thinking it was totally disgusting and girls shouldn't do it. I honestly thought something wrong with me.

Well, I don't have girls, my children are neither girls nor boys..KIDDING!!
No, I have boys, and I never actually brought up masturbation, but when it did get mentioned by them I shrugged and said "it's normal, everybody does it, but it should be private"
That doesn't mean there aren't a lot of wanking jokes in my house, but I from the amount of time teen boys spend locked in the bathroom I highly doubt they think it's disgusting.

[Elle1978]

Hi I'm am currently reading alot about rse in schools. And following PCP wales they have been fighting this for 3 years I believe. I. Now following and questioning what my kids will be taught . alot of info on there website and 2much 2 young . Great work they have been doing for our children.