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The next person who tells me we all need to move on...

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Youknowaboutthepaint · 20/06/2023 07:31

Is likely to get both barrels.

So many people still seem convinced that "the other lot" would be even worse, even though they can't begin to tell me why.

That Christmas, while our esteemed leaders were partying was DH's last. He spent it at home, in pain, without access to the medical care he needed and without seeing anyone except those he lived with.

A few days later he went into to hospital where he stayed for 3 months, without a single visitor. During that time he was told, alone, by telephone because his consultant was shielding, that his cancer was terminal, stil he wasn't allowed any visitors. He never met his oncologist and I had to fight every day to find anyone who would talk to me about his prognosis/ treatment/pain control/return home.

He came home eventually once they'd managed to get his pain under some sort of control, to die, a shadow of the man his DC had last seen, still officially not allowed any visitors. (Although by that point anyone who wanted to visited, I classified as a carer).

Then we had to restrict numbers at his funeral.

All the while those making the decisions that had affected us so badly were having the time of their life. Most are still in power/working in governement, making the laws that affect us all, dishing out or receiving honours, spending our money. And they've lied about it continuously since.

I'm still trying to support severely traumatised children whose lives were badly affected by lockdowns, even if they hadn't had to deal with all the stuff with their dad.

I'm generally a fairly easy going, resilient sort, but I dare anyone to tell me it's time we got over it.

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 20/06/2023 11:46

Stickmansmum · 20/06/2023 07:37

You have every right to be fucking furious.

Summed it up perfectly, @Stickmansmum.

@Youknowaboutthepaint - I am deeply sorry for your loss, and for all the trauma that you, your dh and your whole family had to. And you are absolutely right - this should not be swept under the carpet or forgotten about - these people were in charge of the whole country, and were setting the rules that we all stuck to, whilst they were flouting them and lying through their teeth about it.

Boris Johnson should lose a hell of a lot more than his Parliamentary pass - he should lose his pension (which is enormous), and his resignation Honours list should be cancelled. Someone who as as little honour as he does should not be dishing Honours out.

If there are people on that list who genuinely deserve them - doctors, healthcare workers, charity workers etc, then Sunak could give those out - but all the ones for Johnson's cronies should be cancelled.

Destiny123 · 20/06/2023 11:50

This is a quote from an icu nurse on fb that I so get. So so true. I lost count how many falsely reassuring whispers of "don't worry, we'll see you soon" I gave to people I knew would never wake up from the anaesthetic I gave them that day. No words. I spent the entirety of working Christmas eve/day/boxing day, dreading the cardiac arrest calls to the covid ward, praying it wasn't my boss who was admitted there. No idea at all.

......

Written by a nurse and I’m sure a lot of my NHS collegues can relate to this 🥲💚❤️

Rings so true, I relate to this so much.

Dear Boris, I lied too.
(Written in response to the news of the alleged Downing Street Christmas Party of 2020- some readers may find this distressing.)

Dear Boris, I have a confession to make. I lied too. At about the same time as your advisers and staff were eating and drinking wine and cheese, I was working. It wasn’t on the exact same day as the downing street Christmas Party, but somewhere in that week of December 2020.

I had been called to help transfer a man to ITU, he was covid positive (of course). It wasn’t actually my job that night to help transfer him, but you see we were short staffed so I was doing my job and my that of my absent colleagues. As we wheeled him down the hospital corridors, he struggled to breath, his eyes darted quickly to us then his surroundings as we pushed him. In the lift I squeezed his hand tightly through my gloved hand. He squeezed back firmer than I’d expected, he still had some fight left in him, still had an unexpected strength.

          ‘Who makes the Christmas dinner in your house?’ I asked him, shouting so the words could be heard over my mask.

          ‘I do. Every year for my wife and the kids. 35 years we’ve been married.’ The words came out in broken sentences, as he took shallow, quick breaths in between the words. His eyes flashed with a tear. He briefly smiled lost in a memory somewhere, as his hand still squeezed mine. The lift doors opened loudly, we’re outside the ITU. I let go of his hand to walk in front, the emergency kit bag heavy on my shoulders. I’m not going in with him, I’d have to upgrade my PPE, I’d have to put on a full armed gown. My colleague who has been treating him will go in, another nurse will meet us at the other side of door, they will all go in together. He watches as my colleague changes into a full-length blue gown, my colleague’s body lost underneath the sea blue. And here Boris is where I tell my lie. My patient’s face is contorted in fear, his eyes scream at me to help, to give him one last bit of hope.

          ‘Right, lets get you well so you can make the Christmas dinner. Let gets you better.’ He took both my hands in his, his body turned to me, I’m covered in my mask, my visor I’m faceless. ‘It’s gonna be ok, it’s gonna be ok.’ I tell him. He’s crying.

I then tell him what I tell anyone being transferred into ITU awake, I tell him to keep his eyes closed tight, not to open them until someone tells him too. This is so he can’t see those around him, he can’t see the purgatory of those hovering between life and death.

But you see Boris I lied. I knew it wouldn’t be ok, in my hearts of hearts I knew we wouldn’t get him home for Christmas. I knew he wouldn’t be making Christmas dinner. But I wanted to give him hope, one last burst of hope, one last reason to fight. He died Boris, he died. And my lie ‘that all will be ok’ has stayed with me. Because it was not ok, and I knew that it wouldn’t be.

But Boris with my lie, I feel that I did it for the right reasons. I did it with integratory, I did it with my patient’s best interest at heart. I didn’t do it to cover up a wrong doing, to hide a truth. I didn’t do it so I didn’t get into trouble. I didn’t do it because my actions were unjust, illegal, against the rules. I did it so he would feel ok, so he would be comforted. I didn’t laugh about my lie, I didn’t giggle about my lie. Instead, I felt a guilt that has stayed with me.

In my career I have told many patients that they are dying, I have held many hands and told the truth. The blunt, honest truth. But here I had to give him something, just one last thread of hope. Now Boris, it does sound like I’m justifying my lie, maybe I am. But I still understand that a lie is a lie, it’s wrong. And I tell my children this every day, to lie is wrong.

Later that night I went to the side-room of my patient’s wife, you see Boris, she had covid too. She was being treated in the same hospital as her husband. I watched her for a few moments as she slept, an oxygen mask covering her face. The bed covers rising and falling with the rytham of her breathing. Her nurse informed me that she hadn’t slept well that night. So I didn’t wake her, what good would it do in the middle of the night to tell her, her husband had been transferred to intensive care? What could she do? I decided to let her sleep, let her rest. We would tell her in the morning.

So, Boris I have confessed to my lie, I’m sorry for my lie. I see your advisor has resigned. She has apologised for the comments made, but I’m yet to hear her apologies for her lie, or for her actions. I’m yet to hear the truth. And tonight, Boris, I wonder who will make Christmas dinner, after 35 years of not making it. What will my patient’s wife eat this year? Although Boris, to be perfectly honest, I’m not even certain his wife lived, I suppose now I’ll never know.

Enjoy your cheese and wine Boris.

Myusernameismum · 20/06/2023 12:06

I hear you OP, I'm sorry 💜

My loved one died alone, in pain, due to being CEV we couldn't go to the service. I lost two family members in peak pandemic- I couldn't bear to stream the service.

I'm not over it, every revelation of what the PM did is like a new layer of grief

I'm a nurse and it beggars belief how we all suffered and so many are suffering still and they were literally partying.

IAmNoLady · 20/06/2023 12:07

I am going to hang on to my anger for as long as possible.

The nation were treated like fools. We were told to sacrifice our wellbeing, our children's education, our freedom, whilst those in power partied.

Do you remember pubs reopened before schools?

Op. I am so sorry for your loss.

Outofthepark · 20/06/2023 12:18

Oh God @Destiny123 that's so moving.

Outofthepark · 20/06/2023 12:20

OP I am so sorry for your loss and I am so incredibly angry that you all had to go through this, and that you have to see those bastard Tories giggling and partying on news footage so many times. Nobody on this earth should ever tell you it's time to move on.

FixTheBone · 20/06/2023 12:22

As an NHS worker, I had it probably better in some ways (besides getting covid several times) in that I could leave for work, shop etc, but we did literally nothing else, we missed funerals, anniversaries and big birthdays, so it makes me mad when I hear of government employees going to 'mingle'.

This basic level of dishonesty, disregard and contempt for the public should be at the forefront every voter's mind when they're deciding on who to vote for.

sqirrelfriends · 20/06/2023 12:24

Absolutely OP, it’s stories like yours that show just how inhuman they were. So much was denied to your family and many others while they couldn’t even deny themselves a party. What selfish fuckers they are.

I’m so sorry for your loss.

Namechange666 · 20/06/2023 12:26

Why should you get over it?

It's your story... your grief. No one has a right to tell you how to feel.

I can't even begin to imagine how hard it has been for you and your family.

I wish you nothing but peace and best wishes.

cantab94 · 20/06/2023 12:32

Robinni · 20/06/2023 11:17

@cantab94 the reason for the lockdowns was the transmissibility of covid was off the scale. Death rate was circa 2% but even in July 2021 they were saying there was 20% likelihood of emergence of variant with much higher death toll.

What you have to remember is that close relatives SARS, MERS have substantially higher fatality rates, if covid developed greater pathogenicity coupled with the greater transmission… I mean you’d have something truly catastrophic in health and economic terms - all the pasta and toilet roll drama would pale in comparison to the looting, rioting, societal breakdown. Total mess.

Retrospectively, as we now know which way covid evolution went, we can say it was all for nothing, but not so easy facing eminent threat at the time.

I was in favour of the lockdowns and reductions in social mixing etc. Just not for only certain sectors in society taking the financial hit - while the rest buy hot tubs, Ferraris, luxury hols in Devon etc.

The death rate was extremely specific and much much less for most of the population. The government knew that which is why they had the parties, they were obviously unafraid for themselves. Resources should have been focused on the vulnerable and ways were suggested in the GBD to do this. Alot of the problems we have now can be treated to the lockdowns and lockdown deaths are not counted - untreated cancers, children and women murdered whilst social services not looking, suicides etc. Not to mention cost of half a trillion which will lead to less money available for other things. No cost benefit analysis was attempted which is criminal.

Your word "if" is doing alot of lifting. It was up to people who believed lockdown and the ridiculous rules were the correct policy to provide evidence, which they didn't and the media and opposition were totally inept in questioning it. Also c 100k of the public got fines which have not been rescinded, including for ridiculous things like having a snowball fight.

ReallyShouldBeDoingSomethingElse · 20/06/2023 12:41

I am so sorry for everything your family has been through.

I have been extremely lucky not to have experienced any huge effects like this due to Covid restrictions. Despite that, I will not move on because I am aware that families like yours went through appalling times like this due to the rules put in place by the government. No, I'm not willing to move on and minimalise the actions of these politicians who had the audacity to party. I see the images in the news this week and I seethe. I also think they look like utter twats in every possible way and I hope their careers are over - every single person who attended these events. There is no excuse.

We have a big problem in this country though. I do not trust the current population to not vote in the Tories again. They spin a good yarn in the run up to elections and the toffs and the gullibles will vote them in again. Those of us in between aren't enough.

Gruffling · 20/06/2023 13:27

I'm so sorry for your loss OP. I can't even imagine how traumatic this has been for your family.

Anyone telling you to move on is an asshole.

LlynTegid · 20/06/2023 13:32

We should not move on. The relatives of those who died at Hillsborough had to wait over 20 years for even a limited amount of justice, those who lost loved ones to Covid I hope do not have to wait that long.

As to what should happen to Mr Johnson, I believe corporate manslaughter charges and with others ones of corruption.

BalanceMeHumours · 20/06/2023 14:21

Even if you accept that those in charge never really believed in the lockdowns, never thought they were necessary and only felt 'forced' to do them because every other country was.

Even then: how do those spineless little fuckers explain not realising that when you have imposed the rule, you have to fucking follow it? That having a 'Jingle and Minge' party during a time people are dying alone, is Just Not Fucking Right. The kind of Not Right that should make you ashamed to face yourself in the bloody mirror.

And then... what other laws do those impose that they can't be arsed to follow themselves?

sadlittlelifejane · 20/06/2023 14:21

Youknowaboutthepaint · 20/06/2023 09:23

Whilst I generally agree with a lot of your comment, I think it's worth noting that on a population level, what they did probably didn't affect anyone negatively and personally.

I'm not going to say my initial response to that, but yes it bloody did. If they knew it didn't matter why did they inflict that on the rest of us? Why couldn't DC see their friends or their grandparents and get some support that way?

They've sucked you in, exactly the way they wanted to.

.. did you read the whole rest of my comment? The point was, physically, their party didn't kill anyone. But its the emotional trauma everyone went through whilst they were partying which is the problem... no one has sucked me in anywhere, thanks

BlinkeredBay · 20/06/2023 15:08

sadlittlelifejane · 20/06/2023 14:21

.. did you read the whole rest of my comment? The point was, physically, their party didn't kill anyone. But its the emotional trauma everyone went through whilst they were partying which is the problem... no one has sucked me in anywhere, thanks

How do you know their party didn’t kill
anyone? You cannot possibly know that?

Crikeyalmighty · 20/06/2023 15:11

@BalanceMeHumours exactly!

BlinkeredBay · 20/06/2023 15:16

BalanceMeHumours · 20/06/2023 14:21

Even if you accept that those in charge never really believed in the lockdowns, never thought they were necessary and only felt 'forced' to do them because every other country was.

Even then: how do those spineless little fuckers explain not realising that when you have imposed the rule, you have to fucking follow it? That having a 'Jingle and Minge' party during a time people are dying alone, is Just Not Fucking Right. The kind of Not Right that should make you ashamed to face yourself in the bloody mirror.

And then... what other laws do those impose that they can't be arsed to follow themselves?

👏 👏

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 20/06/2023 15:18

@BalanceMeHumours - I think, given what we know about Boris Johnson, and his ‘character’, your typo about the party - a Jingle and Minge party - is absolutely perfect!

BalanceMeHumours · 20/06/2023 15:38

Grin I was so mad, I was typing too fast for the keyboard - but have entertained myself with my own typo...

pendleflyer · 20/06/2023 15:58

Meanwhile suella braverman (there's a last name to conjure with) is telling the police to ramp ramp up stop and searches. So much respect for the law and rule of law she has that she abstained on the vote.
Complicated was it Suella?
And will be exhorting the Met who looked looked the other way, even when like a small pet they had their nose rubbed in the evidence.

sadlittlelifejane · 20/06/2023 16:58

BlinkeredBay · 20/06/2023 15:08

How do you know their party didn’t kill
anyone? You cannot possibly know that?

It's unlikely seeing as they were in office with each other anyway. Anyway, read the rest of the bloody post for crying out loud. Point=missed

Destiny123 · 20/06/2023 17:31

https://fb.watch/lhzqdAJDP0/

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user1471538283 · 20/06/2023 17:34

I'm so sorry. I don't think that anyone who has coped with horrendous things like this or has witnessed horrible things or has a soul could ever move on.

This didn't happen to me but I can't move on. I'm furious that people died alone, gave birth alone, children and women were abused to death or were terrified alone whilst they had parties and thought it was funny and then lied.

It's contempt for us all and I will never ever forgive them.

Forestfriendlygarden · 20/06/2023 20:24

Robinni · 20/06/2023 11:38

If anyone feels it would be helpful, there is an opportunity to submit your experiences/views on what happened over the covid period to the ongoing enquiry here.

https://covid19.public-inquiry.uk/every-story-matters/#section_1_taking-part

Thanks I will.

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