Boris stands down as MP with immediate effect part 3

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Tomorrow is the Commons vote on the Privileges Committee's findings that Boris Johnson deliberately misled Parliament over Downing Street parties during lockdown

The vote is a free vote rather than being whipped either way. Tories have been told that the vote will be a one-line whip, meaning they will not be obliged to participate.

Boris Johnson is believed to have advised his backers to not vote against it.

Michael Gove confirmed on live tv that he will abstain

Tobias Elwood has u-turned on abstaining after hearing stories from voters

Rishi Sunak, who knows

The thread doesn't need moving.
It needs people to stop disassembling because they are more desperate to worship Johnson then they are to honour the genuinely heroic efforts made by many people in this country during a national crisis.

It's revolting.

https://inews.co.uk/news/covid-deaths-tories-partied-nhs-palliative-care-doctor-2421934

He didn't take legal advice before answering questions about this in Parliament, However, he took a lot of expensive legal advice (which we paid for) in preparing for the Committee meetings, and his QC, David Pannick, was behind him during the meeting.

'they are more desperate to worship Johnson then they are to honour the genuinely heroic efforts made by many people in this country during a national crisis.'

I don't 'worship Johnson' and I appreciate the efforts of those who worked in the red zone and the wards, of whom I know many.

It wasn't my idea to move it it was a pp, I was merely agreeing if it stopped some of the attempted pile ons.

There would be a very easy way to stop “attempted pile ons”. They’re all the result of provocation.

Then rather then seek to bring those people down to Johnson's level have a bit of respect.
He was Prime Minister. He lied in Parliament. He lied to a Parliamentary committee and then he refused to allow constituents a say.
He might have brought you Brexit (based on lies) but that's it.

I don't 'worship Johnson’

Then I’m sure you’ll be able to bullet pint some areas you believe him to be lacking and examples he’s got things wrong.

Just for the record.

You just don't get it do you

If they'd have shown Johnson et Al sitting in a room with sandwiches I wouldn't have cared.

But I missed out on so much of my mums final years because I couldn't see her whilst working as a keyworker with restrictions which meant no parties, leaving do etc. I wanted to visit her every time she was hospitalised.

Even as she laid dying in a hospice in May 2022 I had to have my final conversation with her wearing a mask.

This isn't a game. Johnson lied and then misled parliament.

It's a massive breach of trust and integrity of office.

One that has lifelong lasting detrimental memories for so many.

I love the tit for tat whataboutery. But there has to be a time it's not appropriate because peoples lives and emotions are not a game.

If your heart was in it, you would be prepared to say whether you accept that Johnson lied, and that that was wrong. If you don't accept it, you would be prepared to explain why; and if it is because you accept his explanation that he didn't lie because he didn't understand the rules, perhaps you could explain why it's OK to have a PM as thick as that - especially when we know he was told that he couldn't claim the gatherings were within the rules.

I only checked in to see, if despite all the exposed lies, certain posters are STILL defending the behaviour of Boris and his government and surprise surprise they are. Same ones still clinging on to their desperate defence. Either relentless trolls or just devoid of empathy or decency.

I very much doubt it rattles anyone's cage nowadays, or indeed that it has done so since he was booted as PM. Dealing with Johnson supporters is mostly like contemplating samples, alive or dead, of a slightly curious and ever-diminishing species in a zoo or museum. On a personal level, I'm just mildly interested in how anyone sustains the level of self-deceit that has to be involved for them to continue supporting Johnson.

You really can't see what awful things you've said? Wow. You don't have to specifically call other posters names to be saying something awful @Janiie

Apart from anything else, totally ignoring the terrible experiences @thesurrealist posted about just because of a comment about you is some kind of special. Did you have no other feelings reading her terribly sad post than that she dropped in a little insult to you?

And of course Janiie knows the pp wasn't meaning literally massacred but heavily beaten at the polls. Nobody could be that obtuse.

Granted the Christmas party with folk dancing was of course a rule break <no ministers present> but sandwiches in an office, at work, imo was not.

If you have evidence to show why Johnson's birthday party was not breaking the law, then I suggest you pass it to the police.

The Mail's sub-editors are at this moment cursing and lobbing Saturday's copy into the bin, as they reprogramme the bot to churn out deathless prose on jogging.

Well said @Kiwano

I agree. Reading @Janiie posts is like reading Sophie Corcoran on Twitter.

Wait, that was folk dancing? I just thought that was two people so totally pissed up that they couldn't stand up or balance, so they crashed into the heavily laden buffet.

I wrote a long post explaining why I am so angry at Johnson, but it was a bit too woe is me.

All I will say is that he makes me sick as do all those who defend or pretend to defend him. He fucked about, cost lives, partied, spent tax payers money in various nefarious ways and lied to us all. I hope he burns in hell. He is a monster.

itsgettingweird I am so sorry about your mum and I am sorry for everyone else on this thread who went through hell during the pandemic.

My point has always been they are 2 separate things. The restrictions were there to stop community spread. Workplaces, like Downing Street and tiktok dancing weredifferent as these people were with each other every day. The risk was already there and mitigations like testing were in place.

No, the restrictions were there to stop spread, full stop. Anyone who caught Covid had the potential to become extremely ill needing intensive care and to die or develop long term illness and disability, so every covid case that could be prevented was a bonus. Other workers who had to come in to work in offices were distanced - there was tape on the floors to ensure people didn't go out of designated areas, desks in communal areas were moved 2 metres apart, canteens were closed, meetings still took place virtually, use of toilets was restricted people had to wear masks if walking around the office, etc etc. Certainly wine time Fridays and leaving parties were not happening. I haven't seen any evidence that that was the practice at no. 10.

We have however seen the evidence of a no. 10 staffer that people there were always getting ill, which is not what was happening in offices that took precautions seriously.

Testing is self-evidently not a mitigation. Finding out someone has covid after they have developed it doesn't help if you haven't bothered to take precautions over the period when they were incubating it.

Granted the Christmas party with folk dancing was of course a rule break <no ministers present> but sandwiches in an office, at work, imo was not.

Your opinion is irrelevant, as even Johnson has accepted that that did break the rules and has paid the penalty for it.

Thanks.

What angers me is if I'd known we could meet, gather - whatever for morale purposes I'd have done that.

I wouldn't have listened to them night after night telling me my cocos duty was to isolate, protect the nhs and save lives.

I'd have mixed with colleagues during the day so for months on end it wasn't just disabled da for company when at home.

I'd have laughed in the faces of the supermarket workers telling me how I was putting them at risk shopping with said ds (because I had no one to leave him with) for both myself and my parents both shielding on chemo with cancer.

I wouldn't have allowed my morale to hit rock bottom of I'd have realised I could break any rule for morales sake and just say "but I assure you all rules were followed - I asked my neighbour"

If you think deeper than a puddle for more than a minute it’s not hard to follow the link from Boris’s transgressions to his disregard for parliamentary standards (and there for disregard for the nation he was supposed to be serving) to his rejection of his own political peers findings to the depth of public feeling around the whole thing.

If he’d just held his hands up and pulled himself together at the emergence of party gate we wouldn’t be here right now. He’s arguably done much, much worse but the damage to individuals was largely abstract. He really fucked up by presuming people wouldn’t care about their own circumstances as much as he doesn’t but erroneously presumed he could follow the same pattern.

It is telling that the parliamentary debate yesterday raised the issue of not being able to call out a lie as a lie. As Jess Phillips said, we knew he was lying, he knew he was lying and he knew we knew he was lying. It shouldn’t have taken so long and so much resource to name something so blatant. His desperation to ‘win’ his grift has cost dearly when with simple contrition this whole debacle could have been ended months ago.

His desperation to ‘win’ his grift has cost dearly when with simple contrition this whole debacle could have been ended months ago.

And it couldn't have happened to anyone more deserving.

Would anyone here defend Harold Shipman? No of course not.

He caused fewer deaths than Boris Johnson, and the relatives of Harold Shipman's victims could attend a funeral.