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Boris stands down as MP with immediate effect part 2

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IClaudine · 13/06/2023 08:56

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Cornettoninja · 15/06/2023 09:05

Rhondaa · 15/06/2023 08:21

'Durham police and several legal opinions concluded no law had been broken. Do tell us exactly what your legal qualifications are and why you know better. Do tell us also exactly what relevance this has to Johnson lying to Parliament.'

Honestly we know what they found. It's like pulling teeth. The facts are either buffets were allowed at work or they weren't! (regardless of the time period same rules applied) so either Durham were wrong, or the Met were. Which is it?

There is no ‘regardless of time period’, that’s the absolute foundation of the difference between the two. The laws/guidance across 2020/2021 varied a lot. We all lived it, it’s hilarious that anyone would try to rewrite history to this extent. Boris broke laws when there was little to no leeway for bubbles of any description, following vaccinations there were elements that were slightly more relaxed such as in work settings.

But the main difference is that it is harder to prove Sir Keir was not just taking a break from work, as he insists, whereas it is hard to conceive that a pre-arranged birthday party, complete with cake, was anything other than a social gathering

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/beergate-how-keir-starmers-lockdown-beer-differs-from-boris-johnsons-covid-rule-flouting-birthday-party-1608611

All of this pales against the fact that as Prime Minister imposing heavy restrictions on an entire country Boris completely shirked his responsibilities as someone in a position of such power to abide by his own rules.

Regardless of your own personal motivations, Kier Starmar didn’t and doesn’t carry that same responsibilities purely because his position doesn’t hold the same power and responsibility.

The nuances are pretty obvious to most, alongside the fact that two wrongs wouldn’t make a right. It’s quite simply irrelevant to any analysis of Boris’ behaviour. To still be banging the same drum this far down the line is churlish playground bollocks.

If you’re that bothered about Kier’s behaviour put your efforts into arguing for that instead of lazily relying on that as a defence of someone else’s behaviour. If you take the stance that Boris did nothing wrong, then neither did Keir by your own standards so what’s the bloody point of raising it?

How Keir Starmer's lockdown beer differs from Boris Johnson's Covid rule-flouting party

The Labour leader is facing mounting questions over his beer drinking during last year's lockdown, with the Conservatives claiming it falls into the same category as Partygate

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/beergate-how-keir-starmers-lockdown-beer-differs-from-boris-johnsons-covid-rule-flouting-birthday-party-1608611

LittleBowSheep · 15/06/2023 09:05

"Granted I've no idea about the others, but one can imagine who steered the discussions."

Oh dear @Janiie, you really have tripped up there.

Your 'imagination' does not equal fact. Fact being something that you often appear to be unfamiliar with.

(A bit like Boris being unfamiliar with the truth).

DuncinToffee · 15/06/2023 09:07

It's bad, very bad

Boris stands down as MP with immediate effect part 2
Kiwano · 15/06/2023 09:10

Wow. That's a finding of lying to Parliament on an epic scale. I mean, we all knew it, but you can see why Boris's brain circuits have blown.

DuncinToffee · 15/06/2023 09:10

Committee now considers that if Mr Johnson were still a Member he should be suspended from the service of the House for 90 days for repeated contempts and for seeking to undermine the parliamentary process."

90 days Shock

Clavinova · 15/06/2023 09:10

DuncinToffee
Have you found Cakeorwine's post you were referring to yet?

I have, yes - several times.

Kiwano
Finally you've acknowledged that the Pincher saga happened. So, without trying to divert attention to anyone else, can you tell us whether his conduct with regard to that (with particular reference to the fact that he was Prime Minister) was acceptable?

I believe I answered your question on a different thread (you had a different name then?) - I said I thought Chris Pincher's appointment was unwise/an error of judgment. No one is willing to say that Ian Blackford made an error of judgment I see. I do have to get ready to go out now.

jgw1 · 15/06/2023 09:12

DuncinToffee · 15/06/2023 08:28

Have you found Cakeorwine's post you were referring to yet? Search history could help?

I thought we had established earlier in the thread that Clav doesn't find their own links, someone supplies them for them.

DuncinToffee · 15/06/2023 09:12

Clavinova · 15/06/2023 09:10

DuncinToffee
Have you found Cakeorwine's post you were referring to yet?

I have, yes - several times.

Kiwano
Finally you've acknowledged that the Pincher saga happened. So, without trying to divert attention to anyone else, can you tell us whether his conduct with regard to that (with particular reference to the fact that he was Prime Minister) was acceptable?

I believe I answered your question on a different thread (you had a different name then?) - I said I thought Chris Pincher's appointment was unwise/an error of judgment. No one is willing to say that Ian Blackford made an error of judgment I see. I do have to get ready to go out now.

Have you found Cakeorwine's post you were referring to yet?

I have, yes - several times.

Link please

Now about that lying to Parliament, any comment?

Clavinova · 15/06/2023 09:13

Cornettoninja
The laws/guidance across 2020/2021 varied lot

They were clearly quite similar for the two events.

Zonder · 15/06/2023 09:14

Clavinova · 15/06/2023 08:06

itsgettingweird
Along with Dorries. How did anyone look at either of them and think yeah, you would be a great representative of our party, you should stand for election?

I disagree - if Nadine Dorries was a Labour MP people wouldn't think twice.

And what are you basing that on? Stick to facts please 😂

jgw1 · 15/06/2023 09:15

Kiwano · 15/06/2023 09:10

Wow. That's a finding of lying to Parliament on an epic scale. I mean, we all knew it, but you can see why Boris's brain circuits have blown.

Sounds to me like more than a few MPs are determined to rid themselves of the stench of corruption that has hung around Parliament for the past several years and show to the public that despite the protestations of some, they are not all the same.

No wonder Johnson resigned. Frit as he is.

Zonder · 15/06/2023 09:15

Did anyone else see this on their Twitter feed and get excited?

Boris stands down as MP with immediate effect part 2
jgw1 · 15/06/2023 09:16

DuncinToffee · 15/06/2023 09:10

Committee now considers that if Mr Johnson were still a Member he should be suspended from the service of the House for 90 days for repeated contempts and for seeking to undermine the parliamentary process."

90 days Shock

Damn, I thought 30!

DuncinToffee · 15/06/2023 09:16

Clavinova · 15/06/2023 09:13

Cornettoninja
The laws/guidance across 2020/2021 varied lot

They were clearly quite similar for the two events.

ANy comment on lying to Parliament?

DuncinToffee · 15/06/2023 09:17

Committee finds that Johnson was "complicit in the campaign of abuse and attempted intimidation of the Committee".

Hoppinggreen · 15/06/2023 09:17

But but but but …………………….. Starmer drank beer

Alexandra2001 · 15/06/2023 09:18

@Clavinova I don't care if Starmer was cleared of breaking the rules or not - he still lied - and he voted in favour of Covid restrictions on everyone else

No, you clearly don't care, its become an obsession hasn't it?

But you should let it go, he was found, after a long investigation not to have broken the law, thats our system, we accept that or descend into anarchy, picking choosing which judgements we accept or not.

btw i'm not 100% happy with Starmer and his defence at Durham but the law took its course, Durham doesn't have different laws to the rest of England.

We now have the report and its damning, he lied to Parliament, deliberately & repeatedly, a 90 day suspension is unprecedented & would have resulted in a by-election.... Boris is sounding more deranged by the day.

A criminal sanction would be more appropriate if we are to retain confidence in our democratic process.

DuncinToffee · 15/06/2023 09:19

"There is no precedent for a Prime Minister having been found to have deliberately misled the House. He misled the House on an issue of the greatest importance to the House and to the public, and did so repeatedly."

Cornettoninja · 15/06/2023 09:20

Clavinova · 15/06/2023 09:13

Cornettoninja
The laws/guidance across 2020/2021 varied lot

They were clearly quite similar for the two events.

A jack russell and greyhound are ‘quite similar’, doesn’t make them the same does it?

Kiwano · 15/06/2023 09:20

Clavinova · 15/06/2023 09:10

DuncinToffee
Have you found Cakeorwine's post you were referring to yet?

I have, yes - several times.

Kiwano
Finally you've acknowledged that the Pincher saga happened. So, without trying to divert attention to anyone else, can you tell us whether his conduct with regard to that (with particular reference to the fact that he was Prime Minister) was acceptable?

I believe I answered your question on a different thread (you had a different name then?) - I said I thought Chris Pincher's appointment was unwise/an error of judgment. No one is willing to say that Ian Blackford made an error of judgment I see. I do have to get ready to go out now.

Nope, not me. But it's incredibly revealing that you think appointing a known sex molester over juniors and then sending ministers out to lie for him was only "unwise" or an error of judgment. When your bar for suitability as Prime Minister is that low, I suppose it's not surprising that you defend actual lawbreaking and lying to Parliament.

DuncinToffee · 15/06/2023 09:21

"The contempt was all the more serious because it was
committed by the Prime Minister, the most senior member of the government."

DuncinToffee · 15/06/2023 09:28

his is as damning as it gets

Bottom line- Boris Johnson is adjudged to have lied to the Commons by his fellow MPs

He’s the most senior minister since Profumo to have had to resign for doing so. The first Prime Minister since Anthony Eden to have it on his record.

Cornettoninja · 15/06/2023 09:31

DuncinToffee · 15/06/2023 09:17

Committee finds that Johnson was "complicit in the campaign of abuse and attempted intimidation of the Committee".

This is pretty damning and something I need to look at if there’s any further detail.

IClaudine · 15/06/2023 09:32

It couldn't be any worse for Johnson could it? At last he is held to account for lying. Very happy with this outcome.

And no wonder his supporters are slinking off for the day...

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DuncinToffee · 15/06/2023 09:41

Cornettoninja · 15/06/2023 09:31

This is pretty damning and something I need to look at if there’s any further detail.

Screenshot attached herre

https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1669256711985676292?s=20

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