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Mum sentenced to 28 months in prison for abortion pills

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mumoftwobarnyboys · 12/06/2023 17:26

Used after the cut off point of 10 weeks.

Regardless of how far gone she was, surely this isn't right?

It is her body, despite me morally really thinking what she did was very wrong.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/12/woman-in-uk-jailed-for-28-months-over-taking-abortion-pills-after-legal-time-limit?CMP=twtgu&utmmsource=Twitter&utmmedium=&s=08#Echobox=1686577294

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JustGeorgie · 13/06/2023 00:33

One of her kids has SEN.... she's failed them all

Confusedlovee · 13/06/2023 00:35

JustGeorgie 😂 you just keep giving your pathetic scraps

Unsure33 · 13/06/2023 00:36

Sorry no sympathy from me either having seen the facts of the case . My son was born at 27/28 weeks so I know exactly what the baby would be like . He survived and leads a normal life and that was over 30 years ago . She won’t serve all of that time . Say 14 months in weeks about a year and a bit . I would say that’s fair .

MakesMeFeelSad · 13/06/2023 00:37

Confusedlovee · 13/06/2023 00:28

MakesMeFeelSad duh really? 😂 no way.

Well, nice you think its funny, I'm not sure that women's laughing about it is she?

CoreyTaylorsSoggyTshirt · 13/06/2023 00:38

SoloMamabyChoice · 13/06/2023 00:27

Oh do fuck off. Not sure the current case ended with a fairy tale happy ever after either. For her or her child(ren).

No it didn't, but I'm not naive enough to think that she could easily give birth and given it up for adoption and it would all be wonderful either.

She made a hard choice, I'm sure she had her reasons.

I'm quite sure making her out to be some evil baby killer to suit your own sense of moral superiority will make you feel better. Meanwhile I'll continue to live in the real world where things are far more complicated than "Oh she can give it up for adoption" as if it's that easy.

Confusedlovee · 13/06/2023 00:39

MakesMeFeelSad I have to laugh at you, otherwise I’d cry for your painful ignorance

JustGeorgie · 13/06/2023 00:40

Confusedlovee · 13/06/2023 00:35

JustGeorgie 😂 you just keep giving your pathetic scraps

I know. Pathetic doesn't really come close to describe this.

Hopefully they are being well looked after with their Dad.

MakesMeFeelSad · 13/06/2023 00:41

Confusedlovee · 13/06/2023 00:39

MakesMeFeelSad I have to laugh at you, otherwise I’d cry for your painful ignorance

So you keep saying but I've not seen any sign of intelligence from you yet, or that you even know what you are talking about

Confusedlovee · 13/06/2023 00:41

JustGeorgie because you’re so pro life
you won’t even get the irony here
that’s the level of your intellect

Confusedlovee · 13/06/2023 00:42

MakesMeFeelSad sure 😉

Unsure33 · 13/06/2023 00:44

user9630721458 · 12/06/2023 23:54

@Confusedlovee I don't understand what needs to change in the law? Uk allows up to 22/24 weeks (can't remember exactly), and up to birth if there are grave risks to mother or child. I think that's quite liberal compared to other European countries.

Exactly. And prem babies have survived at 24 weeks . If it’s all down to men then surely we should be educating young people to have more respect for them selves and try and not get pregnant by irresponsible violent men ? We Are so lucky to have free contraception as well.

JustGeorgie · 13/06/2023 00:45

Confusedlovee · 13/06/2023 00:41

JustGeorgie because you’re so pro life
you won’t even get the irony here
that’s the level of your intellect

You think?

Confusedlovee · 13/06/2023 00:46

Unsure33

Have you read in the news this week and watched Davina’s documentary on rising abortion rates due to how difficult it is for many women to access contraception in this country?

Read the Guardian for the news story. Davina’s documentary is on C4.

also men need to stop their abusive and manipulative behaviours - women aren’t responsible

midwives and obstetricians are trained on how to support pregnant women as that’s when the abuse tends to first start

Unsure33 · 13/06/2023 00:46

To some of the posters who are being extremely rude and vitriolic on here I suggest you remember opinions are not facts .

And perhaps go and visit a prem baby ward .

Confusedlovee · 13/06/2023 00:47

Unsure33 the doctors who are campaigning for the law to be changed are those doctors who deliver babies, including premature babies 🤷‍♀️

SoloMamabyChoice · 13/06/2023 00:50

CoreyTaylorsSoggyTshirt · 13/06/2023 00:38

No it didn't, but I'm not naive enough to think that she could easily give birth and given it up for adoption and it would all be wonderful either.

She made a hard choice, I'm sure she had her reasons.

I'm quite sure making her out to be some evil baby killer to suit your own sense of moral superiority will make you feel better. Meanwhile I'll continue to live in the real world where things are far more complicated than "Oh she can give it up for adoption" as if it's that easy.

Oh come off it.

Stop polarising this. Access to abortion is important. Counselling and some regulation around abortion is too. Sometimes late term abortions are necessary for either the baby or the mother’s sake and those circumstances are heartbreaking. We live in a country where women have access to this. And that is important.

But it is sad. And pretending that a pregnancy (ie a child’s life) is ended at this stage isn’t anything but sad is a bit morally problematic don’t you think?

Life is not black and white. It is complicated and messy. But using this very tragic case to make a polarised political argument is messed up.

There are other choices. Where someone genuinely finds themselves in a horrible place where abortion was not possible via any earlier route (and in the case discussed here it absolutely was!) then there is no happy outcome solution to this. So my opinion here (and feel free to disagree but don’t make out someone who disagrees with you is somehow less aware of the world) is that the woman will already be traumatised psychologically and go through the physical trauma of birth. That doesn’t change one way or another. Hence here there is no benefit to anyone at all to end the child’s life.

Unsure33 · 13/06/2023 00:50

Confusedlovee · 13/06/2023 00:46

Unsure33

Have you read in the news this week and watched Davina’s documentary on rising abortion rates due to how difficult it is for many women to access contraception in this country?

Read the Guardian for the news story. Davina’s documentary is on C4.

also men need to stop their abusive and manipulative behaviours - women aren’t responsible

midwives and obstetricians are trained on how to support pregnant women as that’s when the abuse tends to first start

I said educate all young people not just women . And there are some women who do chose to get involved with bad men and then still have children with them and yes they are probably vunerable so they need more self esteem. IMO the current laws are adequate unless extreme extenuating circumstances . And I am entitled to my opinion as well .

Confusedlovee · 13/06/2023 00:53

Unsure33 of course you are entitled to your ‘opinion’
your opinion that is harmful to the reproductive rights of women, including yourself, and that of young girls
that’s why top doctors and lawyers who care for women have been campaigning for change
I’d take guidance from these amazing people who dedicate their lives to women’s health over the random ‘opinions’ of misinformed people

Unsure33 · 13/06/2023 00:53

Life is not black and white. It is complicated and messy. But using this very tragic case to make a polarised political argument is messed up.

totally agree with this comment, I think this is the wrong case to use for whatever arguments people have .

of course we have freedom of peaceful protest and marches , but we also have freedom not to agree.

Confusedlovee · 13/06/2023 00:56

It’s not a political argument whatsoever. That’s the problem. People think it is.

Abortion care is an essential part of women’s health and should not be criminalised.

No medical body or royal college would argue that. They’re all trying to change it!

Trust the doctors, midwives and nurses who are campaigning for your reproductive rights, as women. Because I think many on this thread still don’t get it.

Unsure33 · 13/06/2023 00:57

Confusedlovee · 13/06/2023 00:53

Unsure33 of course you are entitled to your ‘opinion’
your opinion that is harmful to the reproductive rights of women, including yourself, and that of young girls
that’s why top doctors and lawyers who care for women have been campaigning for change
I’d take guidance from these amazing people who dedicate their lives to women’s health over the random ‘opinions’ of misinformed people

Glad to see we agree then . Freedom to agree or disagree . How lucky we are to live in this country . And yes my opinion may not be based on a medical expertise , just from seeing a 27 week old baby go through medical miracles to survive as a totally happy human being . But hey what do I know.

Unsure33 · 13/06/2023 00:59

Confusedlovee · 13/06/2023 00:56

It’s not a political argument whatsoever. That’s the problem. People think it is.

Abortion care is an essential part of women’s health and should not be criminalised.

No medical body or royal college would argue that. They’re all trying to change it!

Trust the doctors, midwives and nurses who are campaigning for your reproductive rights, as women. Because I think many on this thread still don’t get it.

So you are advocating abortion up to term without any medical reason whatsoever? Just to be clear ?

Confusedlovee · 13/06/2023 00:59

Unsure33 the midwives and doctors who deliver premature babies are also campaigning for change. The rights of an unborn fetus or baby do not outweigh the needs of the woman. It simply cannot. Otherwise women have no rights. That’s what you’re essentially saying.

Confusedlovee · 13/06/2023 01:00

Unsure33 the vast majority of terminations happen under 10-12 weeks
in rare cases late abortions happen due to mental illness, distress, vulnerability and fetal abnormality and in these cases yes it should not be a criminal offence whatsoever

Unsure33 · 13/06/2023 01:01

Confusedlovee · 13/06/2023 00:47

Unsure33 the doctors who are campaigning for the law to be changed are those doctors who deliver babies, including premature babies 🤷‍♀️

And they are free to campaign.

I still don’t have to agree .