Mum sentenced to 28 months in prison for abortion pills

[mumoftwobarnyboys]

Used after the cut off point of 10 weeks.

Regardless of how far gone she was, surely this isn't right?

It is her body, despite me morally really thinking what she did was very wrong.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/12/woman-in-uk-jailed-for-28-months-over-taking-abortion-pills-after-legal-time-limit?CMP=twtgu&utmmsource=Twitter&utmmedium=&s=08#Echobox=1686577294

It wasn’t the right thing to do but prison is not the answer. Compassion should be had for women who can’t cope with another child.

The level of intellect on this thread is shocking. I hope it’s deleted.

Women’s bodies, women’s choices.

Educate yourselves, you utter fools. Protect yourselves and your daughters.

Otherwise become slaves and incubators.

Or know the law, request a perfectly legal abortion when you find out you are pregnant instead of leaving it and taking pills illegally then chosing to plead not guilty until the last minute meaning the judge is unable to pass a suspended sentance due to sentancing laws

I'm shocked by the amount of posters I recognize from the feminism board saying this woman was wrong. I though feminists supported women having bodily autonomy?
Apparently not.

Prison is not the answer, her children are the ones who will suffer, no one seems to give a crap about them, anyone who thinks she did this for kicks clearly has no understanding of just how chaotic some people's lives can be.

It's a slippery slope to send her to prison and I share the concerns of others on this thread and hope this doesn't open the floodgates for other situations, miscarriages, still born etc.. to be punished.

Okey dokey - I’m alright with that. You shouldn’t be able to destroy a viable human life.

If you can get that child out without disturbing the bodily autonomy of the woman carrying it, then crack on, but whilst you need the woman to deliver it (however that may be), it's not actually viable on its own.

I’ll be on the March on Saturday
I’ve worked with top doctors, midwives, nurses and lawyers from the top organisations who are all trying to change the law so that women and girls can benefit and have full bodily autonomy
The change in law has often been blocked by white older men over the years
The vast majority of abortions happen under 12 weeks but there are rare exceptions of later terminations and these are always down to mental illness, distress or fetal abnormality among other reasons
Not because women and girls are murderes
Prison is not the answer - we live in a sick society
The rights of women and girls come before the UNBORN fetus or baby
You stay in your little ignorant world MakesMeFeelSad
The intellect is just shocking especially from other women
Get an education

How are they not comparable? You get that a baby at 34 week gestation is the same baby inside the womb as it is outside the womb yes?

Well prison is the answer in this case

And I bet she's getting a hard time in there. But it's a short sentence, she'll be out soon enough

I'm not the one who needs to get an education

The law will change eventually.

Why are all the top doctors, obstetricians, gynaecologists, midwives, nurses and more campaigning for this law to change?

Why did the most eminent colleges and organisations, that care for women, write to this judge to say prison isn’t the answer.

Think about it. It’s for your benefit, as women. Jesus.

Go and Google, you buffoons.

MakesMeFeelSad trust me. you do. google will help in the meantime.

@Confusedlovee I don't understand what needs to change in the law? Uk allows up to 22/24 weeks (can't remember exactly), and up to birth if there are grave risks to mother or child. I think that's quite liberal compared to other European countries.

@Confusedlovee you like throwing in the word "Top" don't you?

So that's where you are getting your education from then? Makes sense

It was also totally unprofessional to write to the judge and wasn't going to change anything

Sounds like you haven’t got the faintest idea about the facts of this case. Seems like you need the education

They don’t have to have a child. Most will have had months to terminate their pregnancy before it became viable outside the womb. Those who for whatever reasons didn’t have that choice still have the choice to not have a child. It can be given up for adoption. I don’t think the argument of not forcing someone to birth a child they don’t want stands either given that this child will need to be born one way or another. So why kill this baby?

user9630721458 google all the position statements from the royal college of midwives, the royal college of obstetricians and gynaecologists, the faculty of sexual and reproductive healthcare, fawcett society etc

read what these most brilliant doctors - who spend their entire lives dedicated to the care of women - have to say and their reasoning for the change in law

it’s not difficult to find or understand - and I don’t mean this in a patronising way

women need to get informed

I cannot stand the judgmental nature of many people on this thread - much to their own detriment and to that of their daughters, sisters, loved ones, friends etc

For those saying that it's wrong that the baby is only legally a separate entity once born - think about how we would address certain issues if the foetus/ baby was considered a separate human while still in the uterus. For example if a pregnant woman didn't take enough Folic Acid & the baby was born with spina bifida, or drank alcohol & baby develops foetal alcohol syndrome, or takes part in a sport and has an accident which damages the foetus.. what crime should the pregnant woman be charged with in cases such as these?

JaneNormanBag I’ve read the judges comments in full and expert comments from all the top womens health doctors and organisations- they know the case and they have been campaigning for change for years

Fairly light sentence for a murderer.

Lizzypet good point Lizzy, but I wouldn’t expect many on this thread to get it

JustGeorgie 😜

Then they need to lobby parliament to get the law changed, not writing to judges

MakesMeFeelSad and that’s what they’ve been doing and will continue to do

these are doctors who look after women during pregnancy and birth…and who help provide abortions to those who need it…and in the rare cases of late termination too

trust me, I’m speaking to you as a woman…you want the advice and care from these doctors, as a woman. Not a male judge handing down a prison sentence to a clearly emotionally unbalanced and vulnerable woman. It’s awful what’s happened. But these things happen and the woman doesn’t deserve to be in prison. It’s not in the public interest. Imagine the more harm this is going to cause. She deserves compassion and an incredible amount of support, as do her children.