Mum sentenced to 28 months in prison for abortion pills

[mumoftwobarnyboys]

Used after the cut off point of 10 weeks.

Regardless of how far gone she was, surely this isn't right?

It is her body, despite me morally really thinking what she did was very wrong.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/12/woman-in-uk-jailed-for-28-months-over-taking-abortion-pills-after-legal-time-limit?CMP=twtgu&utmmsource=Twitter&utmmedium=&s=08#Echobox=1686577294

Spot on @Nutellaonall

Can't believe some of the answers here

Wrong on so many levels
It's murder!! That was a baby that could have survived!! I'm just mind blow

To knowingly kill a baby 32 weeks inside you

I don't think the examples you give show deliberate attempts to kill, unlike this case. So they are different.

My daughter was born at 29 weeks and fought for her life. She was in intensive care for 4 weeks then high dependency then eventually the nursery and now she is a 10 month old, healthy, happy smiley girl. To think that this lady aborted her child when she was 32-34 weeks pregnant and it wasn't a mistake, she knew how far gone she was because she googled what would happen to her for doing, it is just sickening. To me it is murder. That child was a living, viable baby. I am not against early abortion depending on the situation and I feel everyone has the right to choose what happens to their body but she had known she was pregnant for a long time. What she did was wrong and she now has to face the consequences. I understand she may be mentally unwell and need help with that but she knew she did wrong, she had lots of chances to reach out for help.

Rubbish @Nutellaonall. A judge (who could have been a woman) has interpreted the law and precedent and has applied it consistently, and with reflection.

It is not about what the woman did to her body, it's about what she did to the body of the viable baby she was carrying. Had it been just that, she wouldn't have gone to prison but she didn't, she lied about her potential guilt as well.

I don't think the judge had a choice. Regrettably the woman did and she chose an illegal course and then told lies.

It’s not murder. She hasn’t been sentenced to murder.

“Allowing the baby to live.and be loved.” Hope you have adopted? As there’s a huge amount of children in care, that no one seems to want? 😕

I'm so with you

I can't believe the amount of women on here that feel it is fine to abort a child up until their due date just because you decide you don't want them. If you ever see a premature baby and witness the miracle of someone so tiny growing and moving and feeling it just feels totally abhorrent that someone could just get rid of them. It is just awful. Babies are fully formed much earlier than a lot of people think and they think and feel things before their due date!

My sympathy is with the poor baby and the other children not the mother.

As early as possible, as late as necessary - only the woman who is pregnant should be able to decide when she needs an abortion. I don't believe any woman has an abortion lightly & without good cause, so up to them when it should be possible.

Same.

I would have said I was pro choice before (I’ve had a termination at 8 weeks). But if I have to be okay with abortion up until 40 weeks to be considered pro choice then I’m happy to let go of that status!!

Signed, a horrified 32 week pregnant woman

Sooooo a woman can about a 39 week baby and that’s just fine??!

@AgathaSpencerGregson this was violence against herself she in effect induced labour in an uncontrolled environment with limited pain relief. This is not some revolutionary style injection which just kills the foetus. No one would support that.

Misoprostol stimulates the uterus to contract and expel the pregnancy. Mifepristone breaks down the lining of the uterus and some studies have shown it is effective in inducing term labour with a more painful labour than when it is not used although the babies in the trial were delivered healthy.

As highlights in the RCObsGyn statement this isn't about whether abortion should be available at any gestation it's how we treat women who have been so desperate they thought their only option was a painful experience using a pill bought online with no guarantee of success.

Is anyone genuinely “fully pro-choice”? Do you think it should be leg to abort at 39 weeks, or 49+1, or in the case of a breach baby when the feet are already poking out? I think most people think there should be some degree of restriction when we get to the stage when a foetus would fully thrive on its own with limited intervention?

I'm confused by this because if anything, it supports the idea that abortion should be restricted even earlier?

I don't see how you can go from the idea that
23 week foetuses feel pain ---> abortion should have no time limit.

@Hollyppp I wouldn't expect that a woman would have an abortion at that stage unless she was desperate and therefore I'd trust her judgement to do what is best for herself.

I don't believe any woman has an abortion lightly & without good cause

Of course some women do! Some women go away for the weekend and leave toddlers home alone at risk of starvation, or drink and drive then knock over a kid and kill them. People, including women, do all kinds of selfish and thoughtless things. I still think on balance it should be safe and legal, but we do all sorts of things without good cause all the time.

You can’t be serious

I’m not convinced by that argument. I don’t think we should murder the elderly and I also
not prepared to take them into my home and care for them. It’s possible to hold both of those views alongside each other.

That’s absolutely nuts! I don’t know how else to express that…you’re okay with abortion at 39 weeks??
Do you have a child/ children? Would be fascinated to know that you do and you still stand by that statement

I am @Shhhquirrel - you may disagree but I fully respect a woman should have full autonomy over her body.

I do - 3 healthy boys & I've never had an abortion myself but I fully believe that women should have full body autonomy.

She wasn't refused an abortion, and it had nothing to do with covid. She chose not to go for an early termination and then lied , didn't plead guilty until just before it went to trial and it seems pretended she didn't know how far along she was

She had months to take action if she didn't want to go through with the pregnancy but decided to leave it until after 30 weeks and illegally take abortion pills .

She broke the law and as she left it so late to plead guilty she lost her chance of a suspended sentance.

She knew she was pregnant for months before lockdown so can't use that as an excuse for not going for a termination before the 24 weeks

I am sure there was a thread a while back to do with abortion. It was full of posters claiming a woman should be able to abort any time, for things like the wrong sex, mild deafness, suspected autism (not even sure if these things can be detected), or no reason except the pregnant woman wanting to abort. Up until birth. But now this has happened there seem to be less of them, as if the reality and seriousness of terminating healthy pregnancies up until birth has hit them.