Ioan Gruffudd daughter in news

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Again this is in the news with him getting a restraining order. I always thought Alice was nuts but I've been reading that Ioan isn't as nice as he makes out. And those silly staged pics of him and his girlfriend.

Theres masses of tattle threads on A (I’ve shamefully read bits and bobs) and the conclusion there very much seems to be that she was abusive for a long time to IG. ’m really surprised there hasn’t been some sort of social services intervention. I’m sure there would have been if they weren’t living in a mansion going to private school. It’s pretty clear from her own SM Alice has substance abuse problems, is extremely unstable and the kids care needs have probably been met by the housekeeper. Of course it’s shit for her that her husband left her, and it might be distasteful to discuss it all but she’s chosen to make it a story/soap opera. Really there wouldn’t have been much media interest in this beyond the initial news. She’s so caught up in having revenge she’s lost sight of everything that matters to her kids. Of course there’s PA going on. In the U.K. I feel she would have lost full custody for that alone wouldn’t she?

Wow.

Can Harvey Weinstein quote you on that ?

Of course there’s PA going on. In the U.K. I feel she would have lost full custody for that alone wouldn’t she?

I'm not sure.

But then they would be forced to live with their father's GF.

That doesn't seem fair either.

I think what I find difficult about the continuing situation is Alice has not moved on & picked her life up. The fighting goes ever on. There needs to be a bit of moving on happening for Alice and her girls. Yes the situation was shite now start rebuilding. In my experience there is a lot of happiness and growth on the other side of relationship disasters.

Those Tattlers have such a raging irrational hatred for Alice, their level of investment in hating her is truly unhinged.

If Ioan wanted to repair the relationship with his daughters, he would have ensured they had time alone with him & only introduced Bianca once they were comfortable. He is completely in the wrong here.

When he & Alice got together, he was really punching. She was stunning.

Look at her here - speaking French on French TV

 

I get the impression he destroyed her over the years with his gaslighting and lies. She's a complete mess now.

I agree. Poor woman. And then to turn it on her while she was at her most mentally ill and vulnerable.

By her own court sworn statement she claimed they had a wonderful marriage until he left and he was a great father.

This statement was when they had been separated nearly two years (and after she has claimed he had an affair).

If Ioan was abusive to her and broke her as a person as you suggest (and is to blame for her behaviour as some are suggesting here), why would she lie for him?
It doesn’t make sense she would say that for court whilst at the exact same time on social media she was saying how horrible he is.

These conflicting representations she gave of Ioan at the exact same point in time proves that she lies, She was either lying in her court sworn statement or she was lying on her social media (both can’t be true, either he was a wonderful husband/father or he was abusive and left her to do the parenting).

It’s so dismissive to say that people who refuse to say Ioan is bad are just fan girls or misogynistic, it’s just another way to shut down the conversation. If that’s okay to say then I think it’s okay for people to say those supporters of Alice are either just women who have had bad experiences with men and are projecting that onto Ioan or women who are or would be a lesser version of Alice and would see no issue criticising your children’s fathers in front of your children (there is never an excuse for putting your hurt egos before your children’s wellbeing. If they’re that bad why is it not enough for you to let your children find that out for themselves?).

For all I know Ioan may be the biggest the world has ever known but that can be true as well as it being true that Alice is a scumbag for criticising him on social media for her children to read (she said herself they read her posts). This absolute weapon told her 7 year old daughter that she was divorcing her father by showing her child a newspaper article and told her eldest daughter via social media that her dad hated her!!!!!!!

No one here has to support Ioan because actually none of us know what he is capable of but we do know for fact what Alice is capable of since she’s shown us herself on her social media and by proven copies of emails she sent.

I question the morality and integrity of anyone who is willing to stand behind Alice after seeing that.

Children really do have their own eyes, ears and minds. I know from my own experience that no matter what their mother says they will have their own opinions about their father. If he has been kind and loving to those girls they will love him back no matter what their mother says about him. A good father would probably have honoured the girls' desire to have him to themselves on this occasion.

I remember reading a lot of critics of AE talking gleefully about how they thought the girls would be desperate to get away from Awful Alice and choose to live with their dad. This event proves otherwise and now of course everyone is finding ways to blame Alice for it even though she wasn't there, rather than wondering why IG and BW were unable to manage the situation in a way that was more positive and less antagonistic and drama-filled. Surely this proves that they are not equipped to care for the children. And no wonder. IG probably doesn't really know how to do it having left Alice alone to deal with the childcare for several years and having lost touch with the girls while gallivanting off with a woman who could be their big sister (I have sadly been the daughter of such a father).

People think that IG wouldn't speak to AE when he called it off because he was "afraid" of her (lol) but if I am allowed to make assumptions like everyone else is doing I would say that he was probably too ashamed. If he had looked Alice in the eye and told her there was no-one else involved she knew him so well that she would have known the truth straight away. Similarly, it would have taken a tremendous act of courage and love to look his children in the eye and explain why he was leaving them. I'm not saying that he isn't allowed to leave, just that he owed them so much more than he seems to have given them when he decided to go. That in itself is abusive behaviour. Most people on MN wouldn't treat their dogs like that.

Whatever my or anyone else's opinion this is a very sad affair. I am sorry that young child had to experience this and hope that things work out for each person involved in a way that brings them peace.

People think that IG wouldn't speak to AE when he called it off because he was "afraid" of her

He’s also afraid of his young daughters, too, apparently.

I’ve never seen so many women fall over themselves to defend a man doing so much less than the bare minimum in respect of his kids.

Alice might remind you of your narc family member but she isn't her. You and I have no idea of the truth of this situation and can merely speculate. When you start to talk as though your assumptions are true...well, there lies madness. And fake news.

I don't think people are defending him doing the bare minimum. He doesn't sound like an actively good dad by any means, and chances are he's always spent long periods of time working away without seeing them due to his job, which I think does make it less unusual that he didn't see them after the split, but yes, doesn't make him father of the year.

But absent dad not doing enough to foster a relationship is a common story. Mum exposing their children to the level of angry, unstable and public behaviour that we've seen from her is a more unusual story, and it doesn't take a genius to connect that with a child whose response to something not going her way was to totally lose her head and throw food all over her dad's bed. This seems so in line with how her mum has been handling the separation, that it's impossible to ignore the correlation and suspect it of being causation.

Parental Alienation comes in many forms.

AE has hung her despair ,heartache and bitterness out for the world and her children to see. A child of ten subject to her mothers deep unhappiness is automatically going to want to 'protect' her mother. Expecting her to have lived with this extreme behaviour (culminating in a Domestic Violence restraining order against the mother - which doesn't come easy or without evidence) and to view her father and girlfriend in anything other than the most negative way is just completely unrealistic.

Her children should NEVER have been involved in this train wreck. AE should have done what most of us in this situation have had to do. Put the wife/husband relationship to one side and deal with that through a divorce. Slap a smile on your face and PUT YOUR CHILDREN FIRST !!! By encouraging a healthy relationship with dad.

It is not illegal to fall out of love, have an affair and move on. Sad definitely, immoral (if there was an affair) certainly... but not illegal. He left Alice not his kids. Yet she kicked the whole thing off with 'he has left us all' and continued publicly in that vein for years. It is unhinged, extremely detrimental to the children and then moved over to illegal behaviour. Hence the order.

This latest batshittery has been instigated by AE . How else has the daughter engaged a lawyer ?

Ioan has a RO against Alice Evans. The courts don't hand them out on just "he said, she said" evidence. It has to be proved . Actually proved with texts, recordings and witness statements.

Ioan was awarded one against Alice. The judge offered five years but Ioan opted for only three. She has behaved appallingly and has prevented Ioan seeing the children at every turn. The evidence is all in court documents.

I don’t disagree with you. I do think Alice has done nothing but dial up the drama with those girls, but then so has Ioan, albeit in a different way.

He is dragging a fucking chaperone around with him during his contact sessions with his daughters, despite Ella telling him it makes her uncomfortable and that she doesn’t like it.

He is forcing contact with his girlfriend, despite Ella telling him that she doesn’t want to spend time with her.

His response to Ella being upset and communicating that to her father, was to tell her she would need to see a therapist before he would see her again.

Ella is a child, Ioan is supposed to be the adult. He’s hardly dialling back on the drama himself, is he?

Is it any wonder Ella is acting the way she is when she is trying to communicate with a father who doesn’t listen to a word she says and completely refuses to acknowledge how she feels. Fuck, that is frustrating enough to deal with as an adult. I can forgive her for throwing some milk on his bed ffs.

Ella seems very damaged, constant panic attacks and crying. She needs help that is obvious.

But the necessity of Ioan having a chaperone because of false allegations has now become clear. Does anyone really believe that Bianca Wallace, a tiny woman with MS really "repeatedly smashed Ella's arm in a door" It's farcical.

I don’t think Alice has really done herself any favours if he is trying to manipulate the media into thinking she’s a bitch. She’s kinda doing his work for him if that’s the case.

He’s clearly an arsehole because no reasonable person leaves their family for a person young enough to be their child so no sympathy for him whatsoever. Not sure what’s going on behind the scenes so hard to say whether it’s parental alienation or whether the teenager is just being honest. All I do know is Alice hasn’t helped her daughters with her actions.

So anyone that want to leave an abusive marriage is an arsehole? There is no evidence that he and Bianca Wallace, who is in her thirties, were having an affair before he left. That's just what Alice claims.

He has kept completely quiet about everything, except for what he has submitted to the court. Possibly why Alice is becoming so enraged.

I really don’t like using this situation as a “see, this is why he needs a chaperone” moment.

At the end of the day, Ella has made crystal clear to her dad that she doesn’t want to meet Bianca. Despite this, and her clear emotional distress around the subject of Bianca, her father completely blindsided her and forced her into a room with Bianca present, without Ella’s knowledge. Ella was predictably, upset. A completely avoidable situation which is all on Ioan.

Whatever happened after that, none of us know, because we weren’t there. But I feel really uncomfortable with your suggestion that Ella is lying about being hit (accidentally or otherwise) with a door because the person who allegedly did it is smaller than her. Ella is a child, Bianca is an adult. Even if the door hit her accidentally, it is an awful thing to have happened, considering Ella should never have been put in that situation in the first place.

Of course he is going to have a chaperone ! The level of abuse, slander and force allegation he and the gf have been subjected to over the last couple of years was off the scale. It was evidenced in court and clearly shows that there is no limit to what she will do to 'destroy' him.

She will use any weapon she has - sadly there is only one that she favours . Her children. The most recent debacle shows this clearly . Kids with 'normal' mothers are not encouraged to engage lawyers to take restraining orders out against their father for having the temerity to set up home with their partners. Especially when this issue has already been to court and deemed acceptable.

Well said! That post made me shudder!

Ioan is going for shared custody, Bianca Wallace has been his live in partner for two years, of course his minor children need to meet her. He has been trying to get them help and therepy to accomplish this for years. Alice won't allow it.

I find the implication of this offensive. And, as a survivor of CSA somewhat triggering. You both know exactly what I mean. Do not twist my words.

My father was awful (to say the least) to my mum. She had a nervous breakdown and badmouthed him from morning till midnight, but I still had my own opinions about him, no matter what she said or did and despite his actions towards her. I experienced myself as a separate entity to my mother with my own eyes, ears and mouth. Children have a right to have their feelings acknowledged and respected. Alice Evans is not responsible for every single thing that has gone wrong in this affair. And why do you need her to be? Is it because you're a fan of Hornblower and it spoils your viewing experience? Otherwise, what is it? I don't get it.

Actually, the kids don’t need to do anything. Especially not an almost 14 year old. She doesn’t want to meet Bianca.

Perhaps, if he wanted shared custody, this situation is something he should have considered before he moved Bianca in with him.

At the end of the day, Ella has made crystal clear to her dad that she doesn’t want to meet Bianca. Despite this, and her clear emotional distress around the subject of Bianca, her father completely blindsided her and forced her into a room with Bianca present, without Ella’s knowledge. Ella was predictably, upset. A completely avoidable situation which is all on Ioan.

Whatever happened after that, none of us know, because we weren’t there. But I feel really uncomfortable with your suggestion that Ella is lying about being hit (accidentally or otherwise) with a door because the person who allegedly did it is smaller than her. Ella is a child, Bianca is an adult. Even if the door hit her accidentally, it is an awful thing to have happened, considering Ella should never have been put in that situation in the first place.

I agree. Some of the vitriol aimed at the 13 year old (I'm not talking about this thread or Tattle) has been very inappropriate.

Is Bianca so tiny (she's been described as tiny on this thread hence using that word) she's smaller than the 13 year old? I didn't know that.