Foreign teachers are being offered an extra £10,000 to come and work in Britain in bid to fill classroom vacancies

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Apparently we aren't getting enough immigrants.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12131699/Foreign-teachers-offered-extra-10-000-come-work-Britain.html

oh, and it seems we need to import fishermen too

https://www.ft.com/content/5a438a26-4046-4df6-b4e1-b49af82cfbe0

But that means doing less actual teaching. Most teachers are not interested in becoming management for more money they want to teach. It's the conditions they are working under that is making teachers leave.

Its been in happening in the NHS for years. Problem is the more we make shipping in people in from abroads the norm the more we keep the wages artificially low. Why pay nurses and Dra more when you can ship a load in from india?

Yes horrible for the experienced teachers who work very hard

Treat them with decency

Pay scale that increases with inflation? Have you missed all the strikes?

And once you are at the top of the pay scale the only place left to go is to leave the classroom and go into management. Many teachers don’t want to do that.

Do bring up the (unpaid) holidays again. Teachers never hear that.

'Unpaid holidays' is a red herring.
You get paid.
And you get holidays. More weeks than most.
So they are a perk, like the pension that should be cc weighed againdt other jobs pay and perks.

Exactly @1dayatatime and @MsNorris , it's the brain drain and the impact on developing countries that many people in Europe forget. Not forgetting the social impact (Filipino/ Ghanaian mothers and nurses over here while their own sons and daughters are without a parent back home, and the emotional impact that it has on a small child somewhere in the world). It was the same in the 60's with Caribbean nurses, and today the community is battling with the impact of primary caregivers being out of the home so early and for so long - knife crime and the death of young men at the hands of institutions.

Yet, despite all those fabulous ‘perks’ you talk of, there is a huge recruitment and retention crisis…

Teachers get paid during the holidays but not for the holidays.

How many paid holidays do teachers then is it 5.6 weeks?

Recruitment and pay are not the main issues.

Retention and conditions are.

I was a teacher for over 15 years and doubling my salary wouldn't incentivise me to return.

I am enjoying my bank holiday Monday and relaxing a bit. Tomorrow I go into school to start my report writing. I will probably end up doing at least two full days if not three getting them done and one full day packing up some of my classroom. I am moving schools this summer so will probably spend a week packing up and cleaning my classroom for the new teacher coming in and a week moving into my new classroom and getting it ready for September. I will also be teaching a new year group so will spend a week planning and preparing for the new year.

Schools budgets are so cut that the school I am going to could not afford to match my current salary. To hopefully move to a happier school I will be losing £6,000 in pay. Hopefully that will improve if budgets do but I don't hold out much hope.

Schools are getting in ECTs but without a mix of experience and new schools will suffer and so will children's learning.

Yep, it was incredibly shortsighted not to include a minimum service clause in their training contracts.

Despite teaching for 20 years in the classroom I wonder how much I have left.

Every week, without fail, we go to staff meetings where we are told how to get better at something, often many things.

That is usually after a typical day where:

• a parent has wondered why their child has not had the support they need to read at a basic level
• a child has found our their parents are separating
• another child has had such traumatic life start/events that they are unable to regulate their emotions when the smallest thing goes wrong

-you have squeezed in teaching 6 lessons in 6 different curriculum areas -teachers are expected to be amazing in all 6!

No amount of foreign teachers can fix this

The unions only have themselves to blame. If teachers were allowed to independently negotiate their contracts, the top teachers would be far better paid than they currently are. As it is, the crap teachers are paid the same as the excellent ones. Which is completely wrong.

Yes. As I understand it teacher are in school for 195 days in the year and then have the same holiday allowance as any other worker in the uk.

It's worrying isn't it with our high levels why cant people get in to worked?

It is also astonishing that Germany seems to be involved the same place and again they have had so many mass movement's of people on the it shores?

So many teachers leave the UK system to work abroad in China or UAE where they get higher pay, retention bonuses every year, free accommodation, flights paid, relocation allowance etc. Why not use this money to retain the teachers you currently have instead of paying foreign teachers to come over here.

For a strike day you must lose more than 1/365 then? As you don't work all year? Is that the case?

For a strike day it’s 1/365 but if the strike were to be on a Monday or Friday then it’s 3/365, but don’t ask me why.

Those arguing that experienced teachers should be paid the same as less experienced teachers aren't doing the old supply-and-demand logic.

It is clear that something is wrong in what is being offered to experienced teachers. How do we know that? Because experienced teachers are leaving the profession at a rate that can't be replenished.

We do need experienced teachers to be teaching. Not just in leadership. Experienced teachers teach well (often, not always). They also guide newer teachers, train teaching students and early career teachers, lead subjects or year groups, organise school events and millions of other vital things. They need some kind of incentive.

I thought experienced teachers did get paid more than grads - is that not the case?

How has this thread turned into the same old worn debates ?!

At the end of the day this news story shows the government is panicking, and resorting to sticking plaster approaches. Which in themselves will probably be about as effective as Troops To Teachers was.

It’s always the same.

• great pensions
• long holidays.

no one wants to hear anything else because pensions and holidays are all they see.

The pay scale has flattened, with more money being thrown at new entrants, meaning experienced teachers aren’t earning loads more and are obviously needed to do mentoring and coordinating/subject leading which in primary brings no extra money.

But the whole remuneration package needs to be considered and it is illogical to say that teachers don't get paid for their holidays. They get the holidays that other workers don't get and they get an annual salary (but are striking for more) Even more illogical when you have people saying that they spend their 'unpaid ' holidays writing reports and sorting their classrooms.
If the conditions are bad - get another job where they are better. The fact that teachers stay in the job but continue to moan indicated that either things aren't as bad as they say, or that they can't get a job elsewhere.