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The NHS is collapsing - what can we do?

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FedUpWithTheNHS · 24/05/2023 16:32

First of all, I am not interested to do more bashing on GPs, NHS, nurses and whatnot. I sincerely do not think the issue is with them. So let's leave it at that.

But I have been trying to get some support for myself and struggle to get anywhere.
I have family members who have been waiting months, turning into years for severe issues and they are left in pain and scared.
I read threads on here (the one on sepsis, cancer scare etc...) and it's more of the same.

The system is collapsing but there isn't a private sector to pick up the pieces. I had to wait 4 mnths to see a cardiologist privately.... And now another 6 weeks to be able to have the prescription from my GP (At more than £100 per month, I just can't afford to get said prescription privately).
It very much feels like we are left to die, from no healthcare, tbh.

So far, I have written to my MP.
I am supporting groups working against the 'privatisation of the NHS'.
I'd vote Labour but tbh, just now, I can't say theyve filled me with confidence they will actually do what is needed. Which is increasing funding and ensuring doctors and nurses are staying in the UK and the NHS (at the very least)

What else can I, we, do?
I feel like we need to start shouting. LOUD. Very loud. But I am at loss as to what else I can do :((

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Luckydip1 · 29/05/2023 12:20

Hopefully some of the additional 606,000 immigrants that arrived in 2022 will be willing to fill posts in the NHS...

Thesharkradar · 29/05/2023 12:25

Luckydip1 · 29/05/2023 12:20

Hopefully some of the additional 606,000 immigrants that arrived in 2022 will be willing to fill posts in the NHS...

But without access to healthcare they will default to the same level of unemployability as the rest of us surely 🤷

verdantverdure · 29/05/2023 12:46

Luckydip1 · 29/05/2023 12:20

Hopefully some of the additional 606,000 immigrants that arrived in 2022 will be willing to fill posts in the NHS...

In a few years when the government get round to processing their applications and Serco has extracted the maximum profit out of housing them.

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FedUpWithTheNHS · 29/05/2023 13:34

verdantverdure · 29/05/2023 12:46

In a few years when the government get round to processing their applications and Serco has extracted the maximum profit out of housing them.

And that might not even replace all the EU citizens that used to come and do those jobs….

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verdantverdure · 29/05/2023 17:11

Which leads us neatly onto

Rejoining the EU. Grin

Paying medics a market rate would be good too.

So they don't have to move into the private sector or to Nova Scotia.

Crikeyalmighty · 29/05/2023 17:54

If it wasn't such a tragic waste of 400 billion, I find the fact that some people didn't engage their critical thinking and voted purely on keeping out EU citizens and yet now have 606,000 from all over in last year ( a great many of which are non EU and not on these peoples ok lists like Australia and US etc) absolute karma. - and no they aren't all coming in as doctors, high level scientists etc- they believed people who totally fed them a pack of bullshit - and all designed to protect the very wealthy and shore up that UKIP vote too

Howpo · 29/05/2023 22:53

SunnyEgg · 28/05/2023 07:55

last month we spent an extra £25billion on Govt debt interest alone.. an EXTRA £25bn!!!

Unfortunately this is one of the reasons things are difficult. This interest is high due to sheer spend on helping people. Firstly through furlough and next with direct payments for CoL

Three years of extraordinary financial support. It’s only just abating

It’s unbelievably expensive to pay people not to work and pay people for high energy costs

Hopefully things will start to improve as they finally both recede. Inflation reducing is the biggest part

Thats simply untrue, the £25bn extra is down to very high gilt yields, caused by the Govt failure to bring down inflation, not least allowing UK energy prices to remain so high.

Other countries also borrowed huge amounts BUT do not have stratospheric govt borrowing interst rates.

UK 's is the highest of any G7 country and even higher than Italy, over 1 % higher and when we are talking billions...

Its got nowt to do with CV or furlough or Ukraine, which ALL countries have had to deal with.

verdantverdure · 30/05/2023 01:32

Yep. Pure economic mismanagement.

SunnyEgg · 30/05/2023 07:50

So £300 to £400bn in Covid and £50bn or whatever on CoL no impact on debt servicing

Watching it stack up was not good. Although most wanted it, so 🤷‍♂️

Howpo · 30/05/2023 08:16

SunnyEgg · 30/05/2023 07:50

So £300 to £400bn in Covid and £50bn or whatever on CoL no impact on debt servicing

Watching it stack up was not good. Although most wanted it, so 🤷‍♂️

Yes and pretty much all other countries borrowed these sorts of amounts too.

The point you aren't accepting is that its only the UK that has a Govt borrowing cost crisis and it is a crisis, gilt yields are at the same level as after the Truss/Kwarteng budget.

e.g France 2yr Bond yield = 3%
UK = 4.5%

France has a higher GDP to Debt ratio than the UK.

Why Nationwide and others put up fixed rate mortgages last week, Gilt yields are implied Govt and others borrowing costs.

FedUpWithTheNHS · 30/05/2023 08:54

verdantverdure · 30/05/2023 01:32

Yep. Pure economic mismanagement.

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THAT.

Too easy imo to blame people for the state of the NHS (too much use, expecting too much etc…) when the issue is a crap government that isn’t able to control either spending, Brexit or inflation.

Of course, we can also take the Bank of England attitude instead and simply accept.
Accept we are poorer. Accept crap health service and not being able to get care when we need to. All so a few can fill their pockets with that money instead.

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Howpo · 31/05/2023 14:29

FiL has been in AE/Hospital for over 36hrs, now in a "border" ward (a corridor with chairs) waiting for a bed.
A relative with MH problems has been sectioned BUT there is no beds, within 120miles (as far as they can go) not even in a care home.

The Tories have run the NHS into the ground, remember, its pretty much run the same way as it was in 2010 when we did not have soooo many issues, so who has wrecked it since?

For me its funding, staffing and Brexit, turning off EU HCP's.

CriticalAlert · 31/05/2023 14:45

verdantverdure · 27/05/2023 16:53

NHS dentistry is a big thing right now. All sorts of people seem to be talking about it.

People seem to be waking up to what has been taken from them by the Tories , and what else they plan to take.

I am lucky to have an NHS dentist. But a hygiene treatment on the NHS costs more than the private hygiene treatment. How does that work? It's totally insane.

newnamethanks · 01/06/2023 09:56

More than the £90 I was charged privately last week? Surely not?

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