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Is this language acceptable in a school?

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Moreoften · 10/05/2023 13:06

Just need some perspective as I'm not from Englad originally.

DD (5) in Reception had an international week at school. One of the days they had to come dressed in their country's national dress or flag etc. DD's dad is English but I thought DD can wear something that's related to my country. I didn't have a national dress and quite frankly I didn't bother doing much about it as I was busy and didn't want to buy (once again) something she'll wear once or twice.

On the morning she went to school I dressed DD in clothes that represented the 3 colours of my national flag. She looked lovely and I was pleased with my creativity.

DD came back from school and I asked her what did her teacher think of her costume, she said the teacher said she wasn't fancy! I said what did she mean? She said: 'The teacher said I had to go in the back row as my costume wasn't fancy'. Well, it turned out the teacher was trying to take a picture of the class and DD was standing in the front, so she asked her and other kids (who weren't 'fancy') to go at the back so that the 'fancy' costumes were in the front. It all made sense when I saw the picture on Tapestry.

But then I'm thinking is this an appropriate language to use with 4 and 5 year olds? 🤔 . To make little kids feel like they are not appreciated as much because they don't have a 'fancy' costume? It's not our case thankfully, but what if some parents can't afford a 'fancy' costume. I found the language and comparing of the costumes a bit odd but maybe that's because I'm not English?

(All for a picture on Tapestry).

It's not the first time when a parent finds her choice of language a bit inappropriate.

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ReallyShouldBeDoingSomethingElse · 11/05/2023 11:29

You've got a long journey ahead of you through the education years.

LauraKopsbun · 11/05/2023 13:57

Theimpossiblegirl · 10/05/2023 13:10

They might have meant fancy dress, so full costumes.

This.

WimpoleHat · 11/05/2023 14:03

Yes - I think the teacher probably asked the kids “in fancy dress” to stand at the front. As others have said, the term “fancy dress” has a particular meaning which is entirely distinct from “a fancy dress”. (Someone dressed up as Ronald McDonald is “in fancy dress”; the Princess of Wales wore “a fancy dress” to the Coronation (although “fancy” isn’t often chosen as an adjective in that context because of the risk of confusion!))

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greenspaces4peace · 11/05/2023 14:15

Yes “fancy dress” is an expression.
btw what country has no clothing item linked to past heritage?

whistelwhileyouwork · 11/05/2023 14:16

I agree

rainbowstardrops · 11/05/2023 14:32

So your child was effectively 'just' in mufti? You yourself said that you didn't make much effort, so not even your country's flag pinned onto their clothes for example. Of course the teacher would bring the 'fancier' outfits to the front.
This isn't worth worrying about.

GoodChat · 11/05/2023 14:40

Felucia · 10/05/2023 14:20

In the UK, " fancy dress" is the term for wearing costumes. That's all, no insult intended.

Dressing in cultural clothing shouldn't be labelled as 'fancy dress' though, even if that's what the teacher did mean.

Tellmeimcrazy · 11/05/2023 14:47

Regardless - why would she be sent to the back? "You aren't wearing fancy dress. Go stand at the back" or "you aren't fancy go stand at the back" either one is BS and horrible for a young child to hear. They should have plenty of space o tapestry to upload other pics of kids in fancier costumes.

For the person who said the OP didn't make an effort and its her fault etc. Not everyone can afford to buy stuff. Finances can be v tight at times. I think that's a terribly mean judgement.

Tellmeimcrazy · 11/05/2023 14:47

GoodChat · 11/05/2023 14:40

Dressing in cultural clothing shouldn't be labelled as 'fancy dress' though, even if that's what the teacher did mean.

Totally agree

Skybluepinky · 11/05/2023 14:51

U didn’t put any effort in and others did, so they would be at the front and yr child at the back.
So really yr fault she was at the back, just apologise to her that u didn’t have the time.

stayathomer · 11/05/2023 14:51

Personally I don’t know about the wording but in a way I wouldn’t have liked a teacher making my child feel like they weren’t as well as other children- my children would never buy costumes, and I’m neither artistic nor inventive so we just muddle through- I’d hate a teacher to draw attention to that!!

instantpotnoodle · 11/05/2023 14:52

GalileoHumpkins · 10/05/2023 13:24

Unless she shouted 'get to the back you unfancy fuckers' then I think you're being ridiculous.

My new favourite insult.

ComeTheFuckOnBridgett · 11/05/2023 14:53

GalileoHumpkins · 10/05/2023 13:24

Unless she shouted 'get to the back you unfancy fuckers' then I think you're being ridiculous.

Ffs🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

FrownedUpon · 11/05/2023 14:54

It’s really not a big deal. Probably meant fancy dress.

Tellmeimcrazy · 11/05/2023 15:09

stayathomer · 11/05/2023 14:51

Personally I don’t know about the wording but in a way I wouldn’t have liked a teacher making my child feel like they weren’t as well as other children- my children would never buy costumes, and I’m neither artistic nor inventive so we just muddle through- I’d hate a teacher to draw attention to that!!

As a former teacher - they shouldn't.

HotPenguin · 11/05/2023 15:25

The teacher didn't realise your child was dressed in the colours of a national flag. She thought she was in normal clothes.

HazyDragon · 11/05/2023 15:36

Of course the teacher shouldn't be sending children she doesn't deem as having made enough effort to the back!

That's definitely a great way to make young children feel like crap.

WonderingWanda · 11/05/2023 16:03

I think the teacher could've handled it a bit more diplomatically rather than make your child feel inferior. She could have taken a photo and then said 'Let's have one more photo with x, y and z at the front because we couldn't see their outfits in the first photo'

Daydreamer123456 · 11/05/2023 16:05

GalileoHumpkins · 10/05/2023 13:24

Unless she shouted 'get to the back you unfancy fuckers' then I think you're being ridiculous.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

WhatWeDoInTheShadow · 11/05/2023 16:08

I don't think the teacher handled it perfectly but that's life. Does everything that comes out of your mouth always meet every criteria for inoffensive, inclusive, supportive while avoiding sounding insincere? No? Leave the teacher alone. She probably meant fancy dress anyway, which again may not be the perfect thing to say but seriously with what they have to deal with I'll take good enough and not expect perfect at all times

I'm not a teacher btw

WhatWeDoInTheShadow · 11/05/2023 16:10

PS: are you Irish? I am and it was just the whole tri-colour flag thing made me wonder! I like the green, white and gold idea of so

PurBal · 11/05/2023 16:14

Child is asked to come dressed as their national flag. Child dresses as their national flag. Child gets sent to back because their flag isn’t good enough.

Why is the OP being given grief?

Bababababab · 11/05/2023 16:14

I am also not from the UK though I live here now. I totally agree with the op that it doesn't sit well with me. They should not be 'rewarding' ie. Be at the front or not ie hidden at the back based on whether they are wearing a full national dress or just referencing the country with colours of the flag. For me it feels rude and the teacher should know better than that. Who cares about whether the costumes are at the front or back?

Macaroni46 · 11/05/2023 16:18

SomethingNastyInTheGenePool · 11/05/2023 10:28

I agree with PPs that the teacher was talking about not being in fancy dress rather than that the clothes weren’t fancy.
But — I do think it’s a bit mean to make 5-year-olds stand at the back because of this. The teacher could have taken a couple of photos, moving the kids around in between.

Have you any idea how tricky it is to take even one photo of a class of 5 year olds? Let alone moving them around so no-one's offended by being at the back!
Seriously. I do wonder when we all became so sensitive!

GoodChat · 11/05/2023 16:29

PurBal · 11/05/2023 16:14

Child is asked to come dressed as their national flag. Child dresses as their national flag. Child gets sent to back because their flag isn’t good enough.

Why is the OP being given grief?

OP's being given grief because she dared to use the phrase 'I didn't bother doing much' and people will jump on the tiniest thing to belittle someone.

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