Accused of stealing dd went mad

[Oneoff45]

Ok so a few days back my daughters friend went into a shop. He was just getting snacks /drink ect. Then 2 people came in. Reached over the counter sort of area and ran out with a handful of vapes. The shop owner did not gey the chance to stop them.

Anyway daughters friend went to pay for his stuff. And the owner accused him of being with the people who stole the vapes he kept telling them he does not know them. Shop owner forced daughters friend to pay for the vapes..

He went back to my daughters house and was upset daughter asked what was wrong. So she took his bank card and went back to the shop and she went mad. Told them he did not know them he has no idea who they are. And told them to give his money back . They refused and said he must be guilty as he paid it .. she then said no you forced him to and went on to tell they you can't accuse people just because they are in the same shop. She also went on to say how they have taken advantage of a man with disabilities. He has autism.

She asked for money back several times. They still refused . She the said she was gonna take 15.00 worth of stuff from their shop. So she started to. They said they were gonna called the police. She said ok. Then we can explain to the police that you have taken advantage of a man with disabilities and we can check at that cctv.

In the end the gave her friends money back .

Did daughter do the right thing ? I mean she got his money back which I suppose is what they wanted . Not sure what I would have done really 🤔

Thank goodness your DD knew his pin number

They took nothing from your daughter though?

I think it was right for someone to challenge the shop over their decision, but sure this was the most productive way to do so.

I'm confused why lots of people are saying that the shop keeper clearly took advantage of a vulnerable customer though. Autism isn't clear by default. Is your daughters friend known to the shop keeper?

You don't need a pin number for a refund you can just tap your card...

She done the right thing! I would've done the same...

OP when your DD started grabbing the stock, what would she have done if they'd refused to refund?

Just to put right a common misconception, it's not correct to say that someone can't be convicted of stealing from a shop unless they have left the shop with the goods. The definition of theft is "dishonestly appropriating property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it", therefore the offence is committed at the point when the thief picks up the goods with the intention of stealing them, not at any later point.

It's not something that the police would pursue in DD's daughter's case, but too many people think that they will get away with shoplifting if caught inside the shop, and they only discover too late that that is not true.

Your DD stuck up to a bully. She stuck up for a vulnerable person. You should be proud, you've done a wonderful job raising her. I wish there were more people in the world like her.
How old is she?

Sod knows. I don't know if she would have followed though or not .

You’re making yourself sound really stupid now.

I did not raise her like that. I would shit myself 😅. She's complete opposite to me. I would have just called the police and hoped for the best.

For contactless payments you simply tap to refund just as you do to pay.
Its been like that for yonks

Yes it has. I think the pin might be needed for a refund though. Either way dd knows the pin anyway.

You haven't even read the post your quoted and you're telling ME to read the post? 😂

I said 'Acted' like a thief.

Which she did by grabbing and threatening to steal the stock.

Even the OP admits she doesn't know if her daughter would've stolen it if they hadn't refunded.

But I'll leave you all to stand up on the bus and clap, if you all think this was the correct thing to do.

My adult son with autism could easily be the friend in this scenario.

While there were other options I think your dd is an amazing friend and advocate. He’s lucky to have her.

Good for her. What a shitty thing to do , that shopkeeper.

She sounds like a great person. You should be proud.

Just ignore the poster weirdly taking the shopkeeper's side.

Grabbing stock and threatening to take it is acting like a little scally and not something I'd like any kid of mine to do, not least because it undermines any moral high ground that they were claiming.

Moral philosophy 101: Do two wrongs make a right? YES/NO - select one.

I can't see anyone taking the shopkeeper's side.

It wasn't the right course of action and one that could have escalated badly had they not given a refund. The DD would either have had to leave the shop red faced, or stolen the stock as threatened.

Your DD definitely done the right thing - well done to her for sticking up for her vulnerable friend.

An older, more measured person may have dealt with it differently and got the same result. However, good on your daughter for standing up for her vulnerable friend. She's a really good friend to him.

Or she may have called the police herself . She has never stolen in her life so I can't see her following it through or possibly would if she saw it as not stealing because of the 15.00 that had been taken. So I don't have a clear answer . But also she was happy for the police to come when they Said it . (They) backed down from that . When she said we can check the cctv then .

The £15 wasn't hers so it would very much have been stealing.

How old is she OP?