Accused of stealing dd went mad

[Oneoff45]

Ok so a few days back my daughters friend went into a shop. He was just getting snacks /drink ect. Then 2 people came in. Reached over the counter sort of area and ran out with a handful of vapes. The shop owner did not gey the chance to stop them.

Anyway daughters friend went to pay for his stuff. And the owner accused him of being with the people who stole the vapes he kept telling them he does not know them. Shop owner forced daughters friend to pay for the vapes..

He went back to my daughters house and was upset daughter asked what was wrong. So she took his bank card and went back to the shop and she went mad. Told them he did not know them he has no idea who they are. And told them to give his money back . They refused and said he must be guilty as he paid it .. she then said no you forced him to and went on to tell they you can't accuse people just because they are in the same shop. She also went on to say how they have taken advantage of a man with disabilities. He has autism.

She asked for money back several times. They still refused . She the said she was gonna take 15.00 worth of stuff from their shop. So she started to. They said they were gonna called the police. She said ok. Then we can explain to the police that you have taken advantage of a man with disabilities and we can check at that cctv.

In the end the gave her friends money back .

Did daughter do the right thing ? I mean she got his money back which I suppose is what they wanted . Not sure what I would have done really 🤔

Have you been to the shop I'm talking about ?

Sge never stole she picked up 15.00 worth of stuff which was the amount they took of her friend. They told her to stop she did
Then they ended up giving the money back ... she never left the shop with the items she picked up. The fact they suddenly gave the money back says alot.

You can't just march into a shop and start stealing because a friend of yours was accused of stealing.

She didn't just march into the shop and start stealing, she gave them numerous chances to repay the money they forced her friend to hand over.

I think it’s great that she stood up for her friend. The shopkeeper seriously did the wrong thing

@Oneoff45 your daughter is a star. You should be proud of her. Bullying shop keeper needs someone to go & have a few words with him!!

I hope both your DD & her BF are not too shaken by the experience.

I don't know what I'd have done either, probably got increasingly shouty until he repaid the money. Which is no better than what your DD did. I'd have called the police too.

@NeatCompactSleeper

Heres a photo for you to visualise. Not every shopkeeper keeps them so far back they aren’t able to grab.

Some shopkeepers are extremely stubborn and do not act within the law. Sometimes you have to be assertive.

My youngest would paid hates confrontation and it panics him he’d pay just to get out of there

@NeatCompactSleeper no she didn't start to steal, that would imply she was walking out of the shop. She picked items up of the shelves. Again, it is not stealing until the unpaid items are taken out of the shop.

You would not be charged for murder unless you actually kill someone (and found guilty obvs). Simply threatening
murder isn't the same as killing someone.

You're trying to be pedantic but without the correct logic 🙄

There’s only one silly person on this thread. 👀

Really !

Thry said they were gonna call the police Dd said ok them we can all look at the CCTV shop keeper then backed down. That says it all.

Your DD sounds great, you should be very proud. Maybe the shop keeper will think twice before trying to use a vunerable person to make up for people stealing from his shop.

Thry said they were gonna call the police Dd said ok them we can all look at the CCTV shop keeper then backed down. That says it all.

This. Shop owner knew they were in the wrong and didn't want police involvement because that would have proved it. Shop owner is the actual thief here, took advantage of a vulnerable person. Me, I'd be telling all my friends not to go to that shop and why, hit him in the wallet and teach him a lesson.

Well if you're so sure your DD did the right thing, why start a thread asking stranger's opinions?

I get this is a 'The whole bus stood up and cheered' kind of thread, but I think it was a stupid thing to do.

She threatened to steal their stock and started to.

What would she have done if they didn't refund the card?

She never left the shop its only stewling if you try to to leave . Also since the shop keep took 15.00 pounds it would have already berm paid for

Morally right, legally wrong (if she had left the shop with the items, it would have been theft, regardless of the fact that the shop took £15 from her friend).

Luckily it was all sorted out without the need for police intervention.

Well done to your daughter! I worry about my own children when they are adults as they both have autism and people honestly don’t have any idea how much it affects the way you think and respond in situations like this!

At the very least it's grown in the telling. I thought you needed the cardholder's PIN to do a refund anyway, or back in the day they had to sign a receipt.

I don't know why I'm replying 🤣

Oh we suddenly trust the police, do we?

Nah your daughter did the right thing.

Thet got a refund receipt. And dd knows his pin number.

Your DD sounds fantastic!

What a brilliant daughter you have standing up for her friend (I hope this poor boy is ok). Is she going to become a criminal barrister, sounds like she would be very good at it? Maybe taking the stuff off the shelves wasn't the best move (kind coming down to the shopkeeper's level) but she sounds like a girl who can stick up for herself.

I've posted twice supporting your dd. However, it's also occurred to me that maybe the person behind the counter was an employee, not the owner, who might have lost his job or had his wages deducted if the till was down, and so may have panicked in the moment and done the wrong thing himself.

Your DD sounds awesome. Be very proud of her.

To the idiots saying that she was stealing - no, she wasn't. She gave many opportunities for the shopkeeper to pay the money back and when they didn't she was very open about what she was going to do and didn't even try to conceal it. She said she would be happy for the police to be called so that the cctv would have to be examined, which would have shown up the shopkeeper's disgraceful behaviour towards her friend.

The foolish shopkeeper backed down because they knew that they would be incriminated by their own cctv.

It doesn't make you an idiot to know that if she had followed through and left the shop with those goods, it would have been theft. It doesn't matter if she didn't conceal it, or that she gave them opportunities. The debt wasn't owed to her, it was owed to her friend, and in any event she is neither a bailiff nor a court enforcement officer with authority to redeem goods to settle a debt.

The shopkeeper extorting her friend and the (threatened, but not actual) theft are two separate issues entirely.

Sometimes the law and justice don't align and this is one of those occasions.