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Two dogs shot in London by police

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flowagurl · 08/05/2023 08:40

I’m usually very empathetic and recently even posted on an animal testing post but I just can’t find any compassion in my heart for out of control and dangerous animals at the moment, it’s just getting ridiculous. I obviously feel for the owner who I hope gets some kind of mental support/ counselling.

It’s so confusing as I’m usually so compassionate, I guess having a small child and the number of dog attacks does something to your brain? I hate walking past Bullies with my baby in the pram. Even normal dogs I’m starting to get very hesitant about. For context I usually cry if I step on a silver worm in the bathroom so this is a very strange reaction for me.

Interested to hear what other dog owning/ non dog owning people think. Also the government are going to have to step in at some point right?

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thedancingbear · 08/05/2023 11:54

shadowchancesassy · 08/05/2023 11:49

I've just watched the full footage there was no need to taser and shoot the second dog. They had the pole around its neck. Those poor people who had to witness that.

More disturbing than watching it violently kill a toddler?

Scalottia · 08/05/2023 11:55

Mitfordian · 08/05/2023 09:25

Sure....

I can't my head around why people think these dogs are good looking (not the pp, just people in general). They are literally the ugliest dogs around and, for good reason evolutionarily, they are absolutely not 'cute'. Their physical appearance just screams 'keep away from me'. When I was a child, my neighbours had an EBT and you just knew to avoid it. It went on the rampage one day killing some pet rabbits and my father had to force then to put it to sleep given the number of young children in the area.

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Dogs chasing/killing rabbits or other small animals is not indicative that they will kill small children. That's not how dogs work.

Jonei · 08/05/2023 11:56

The dogs were out of control and had already attacked someone. They absolutely should have been shot.

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Spirographcity · 08/05/2023 11:58

The not the dog it's the owner argument is the same one for allowing assault weapons in the US. It's a poor one in my view. It's not just the fact that some breeds are more likely to bite it's the potential for harm that's the problem. I actually like dogs but am very nervous of these bully dogs because I don't feel I'd have a chance of getting away if one attacked me.

We've had a number of dogs attacked and killed by them locally to me.

Other breeds may attack people in their homes but they're far less likely to attack people at random in the street.

TheHandmaiden · 08/05/2023 11:58

Dogs chasing or killing other animals is a clear sign they are not under control by an owner. Another excellent example of bad ownership.

Lonelycrab · 08/05/2023 11:58

The man was obviously not 100% well and distressed

On the longer version of the very distressing footage, the man is clearly acting aggressively and is uncooperative to the armed police. Regardless of his mental state, or intoxication the officers first priority surely has to be their safety. At the moment the first dog is shot, he is advancing towards the police and shouting aggressively, the dog could easily have mauled the officer with a second or so, they were only a foot or two away at that point. I don’t see what else could have been done.

Chesneyhawkes1 · 08/05/2023 12:00

@Bluebells1970 totally agree. That video was awful to watch.

QuintanaRoo · 08/05/2023 12:00

SerendipityJane · 08/05/2023 10:47

I’m assuming if the owner was tasered he wasn’t calmly doing what the police asked him.

This is the UK. You can't assume that.

In fairness I’d seen a short clip of footage (no sound) when I said that. From what I saw he did not look to be cooperating with the police, they appeared to be shouting instructions at him.

gettingoldisshit · 08/05/2023 12:01

I am a responsible dog owner and the sort of morons who own big powerful dogs like this make me sick! I own a powerful dog who is immaculately behaved and would never be off lead in public anyway! Yet when we are out walking we constantly have out of control dogs running up to us while the owners let them do as they please! People should have to pass some sort of test to own a dog! I would happily do it!

MyFaceIsAnAONB · 08/05/2023 12:02

Just watched that video, sounds like (paraphrasing of course):

Police: this is the only way it’s going to happen; hand over your dogs to check they’re not injured [the same dogs who just mauled a woman]
Dickhead Owner: I won’t, it’s not going to happen, fuck off
Police: hand them over, the alternative is not good
DO: I won’t hand them over
Police: we’ll have to shoot them then
DO: go on then, go on then!

So they did. What an absolute fucking numbskull. Wont hand his live dogs over, but says ‘go on then’ when police say they’ll shoot them.

rustypoon · 08/05/2023 12:03

Toooldtoworry · 08/05/2023 08:51

Dog owner of 3 bully dogs (2x SBT and ABBB). I would welcome introduction of dog licensing and compulsory training.

Given the reputation of the breeds I own they go to regular training and they're always on lead unless we've hired a private field or they're in the garden.

I NEVER allow mine up to people/children unless the person asks to fuss them and then I insist on a sit/down before they can.

I'm glad you're onboard with this and it sounds like you take good care but I would like to know why you would want to keep these dogs?
To me it's like cat owners deciding to keep a lion and walk it about on a lead expecting to be able to hold it back if it decides to go for something. Very few people can actually hold back these dogs if they want to attack.

SerendipityJane · 08/05/2023 12:04

Lonelycrab · 08/05/2023 11:58

The man was obviously not 100% well and distressed

On the longer version of the very distressing footage, the man is clearly acting aggressively and is uncooperative to the armed police. Regardless of his mental state, or intoxication the officers first priority surely has to be their safety. At the moment the first dog is shot, he is advancing towards the police and shouting aggressively, the dog could easily have mauled the officer with a second or so, they were only a foot or two away at that point. I don’t see what else could have been done.

Regular viewers will know I am not always the biggest fan of the police.

However in this case, hats off, extra chocolate rations and an honourable mention. They made a decision so I (we) didn't have to, to protect the public.

If anyone is stupid enough to wander the public streets wielding a deadly weapon (which is exactly what an out of control dog is) then they should buy a lottery ticket if they emerge with their life after an encounter with the police.

I don't really need to imagine the nature of the posts we'd be seeing here if the police had hesitated and one or both of those dogs had slipped the lead and ran off to goodness knows where.

Monzeitia · 08/05/2023 12:07

This conversation that it’s always the owners fault 100% it’s not always true, sometimes you get a puppy with a screw head, few years before, my neighbour had the most vicious Labrador, he had to be on the leash at all times as it would growl to other dogs and people, owners tried everything, professional training, medication, muzzle him, nothing worked, they owned others 2 labs so he was brought up not different that the other ones who were very friendly, he had at the end to be PTS as they got afraid of him when he tried to bite a grandson, couple of months ago walking my dogs I meet a young man with a 2 years old Akita, she was the most beautiful, soft loving dog, walking of lease by her owner side, never reacted to other dogs, people, I asked him if the dog had any training and he said no, she was like that since a puppy, funny enough he also had a chihuahua that was on the leash as he was quite a miserable and tried to bite my dog

dawngreen · 08/05/2023 12:13

Back to another stupid ban the breed post. We had dog licences, and first it was ppl yelling ban GSDS, then dobermans, and this time its the bully breeds. And each incident had idiot owners .

Goodoccasionallypoor · 08/05/2023 12:13

Eightiesgirl · 08/05/2023 11:29

@Bluebells1970 I feel exactly the same. Those poor dogs must have been absolutely terrified.

I'm sure the woman they mauled earlier was absolutely terrified too.

These dogs shouldn't have been sold as pets in the first place.

slowquickstep · 08/05/2023 12:15

Bluebells1970 · 08/05/2023 11:26

I'm a dog owner.

I found that video extremely disturbing and those dogs must have been terrified. It was a horrific way to end their lives whatever the owner had done. Whatever happened to humane destruction? Whatever they had done or whatever breed that they were, there is no excuse for that ending.

They had already mauled a woman, what do you think the Coppers should have done, offered the bloody thinks a treat? Pretty sure your opinion would be different if it was you or your mother it had mauled.

Goodoccasionallypoor · 08/05/2023 12:15

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 08/05/2023 11:43

The problem is exacerbated by the tendency to cram as much housing everywhere. So more people, more dogs and no where for people and dog to go for a walk and exercise.

Much of this is brought on by the indiscriminate high density development obsession LA's have.

This is the most nonsensical comment I've seen on mumsnet for weeks. Well done.

rustypoon · 08/05/2023 12:16

We know most dogs are capable of biting. The difference is the damage it can inflict if it does. Look at the jaw of a shitzu compared to a Bully XL, Bull dog, Pit Bull, German Shepherd. Can an owner hold back a shitzu if it decides to attack and can an owner hold back a Bully breed dog if it decides to attack? I've seen so many light build women and men walking these dogs (sometimes two) and they're basically being pulled along, there's zero chance they could restrain them if they decided to chase or attack something.

NoTouch · 08/05/2023 12:16

The video was awful to watch. Those poor dogs. I feel sorry for the dogs, the police officers and the woman who was attacked.

I have absolutely no time for the owner, or any delusional owner of these breeds. The poor dogs should never have had to go through that as they shouldn't never have existed.

Idratherbepaddleboarding · 08/05/2023 12:18

Why would you feel sorry for the owner and not the dog? The dog didn’t ask to be bred to be a fighting machine, it’s people that did that and the owner chose a dangerous dog probably to make them look “hard”.

Rosscameasdoody · 08/05/2023 12:20

The innocent party along with the always dog pay the ultimate price for the owners’ irresponsibility. Happens time and time again, and until we revisit the dangerous dogs act and come up with a way of properly legislating for dog ownership, along with compulsory training for both animal and owner, this will continue to happen. We also need to start meting out meaningful punishment to dog owners whose animals cause injury or worse.

FrostyFifi · 08/05/2023 12:20

I have little sympathy for the "distress" of the witnesses who were rubbernecking and filming. If they found it that distressing they could have stopped watching.

BurntOutGirl · 08/05/2023 12:20

OneFrenchEgg · 08/05/2023 10:57

@BurntOutGirl I don't know so am just wondering - I wonder if people survive with horrible injuries from a Jack Russell (worst I've seen is a GS, also on that list) and die from other breeds attacking?

I think it's probably the force that the attack is carried out with along with jaw size.

So with a JT the jaw is a lot smaller compared to a ....for example... bully type dog..... So when the JT bites it covered the child's whole check area... but if the bully bit, it would probably get the cheek and skull.... which would be more catastrophic.

I personally don't have strong opinions on any dog breed... but maybe all dog's...no matter the size should wear a muzzle

BurntOutGirl · 08/05/2023 12:21

Sorry meant JR not JT

Thesharkradar · 08/05/2023 12:21

SleazyLizzard · 08/05/2023 08:47

The owner doesn’t need counselling they need prison.

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And I'm very pleased to hear that summary dog execution is now part of the police repertoire