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Anyone watching the Grand National?

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PinkLemonadee · 15/04/2023 17:06

Just put it on to see protesters being dragged off the track. Feel bad for the horses in the ring, it looks warm and there's so many people about.

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Florenz · 15/04/2023 18:16

Rosula · 15/04/2023 18:15

Why does it have to be either/or? Do you know that they don't object to both?

They object to both but only bother protesting where they can get attention. Because that's all they are, attention seekers.

QuestionableMouse · 15/04/2023 18:16

Isiteveningyet · 15/04/2023 18:14

That was fucking brutal. 39 started and only 17 finished

Absolutely awful! There's just too many running, they have nowhere to go.

I'd also support outriders to catch loose horses, like they have in America.

mbosnz · 15/04/2023 18:16

I totally agree about show jumping. Far too many abhorrent practices that have been going on for far too long.

I also agree with the PP making the point about how race horses are backed and ridden far too early, and given completely unnatural lives to maximise their profitability. There is no concern there for the animal, dress it up however you like. No matter how gilded the cage, it is still a cage.

Hoppingmad231 · 15/04/2023 18:16

Enfys1982 · 15/04/2023 17:16

Two horses have already died this week at Aintree. One only this afternoon. It’s fucking cruel and people need to wake up. The irony of worrying about the horses in the paddock but being forced over Beachers Brook is laughable.

Horses race everyday don't see them protesters then do you? Their parents never give them any attention when growing up so they get it were they can. They knew it wouldn't make a difference and the race would still go ahead so what was the point.

ThankmelaterOkay · 15/04/2023 18:16

Horse racing is soo low rent. Just a trashfest.

Americano75 · 15/04/2023 18:16

Isiteveningyet · 15/04/2023 18:14

That was fucking brutal. 39 started and only 17 finished

That'll be the protestors fault then. Because the horses are so well looked after.

ShowUs · 15/04/2023 18:17

Isiteveningyet · 15/04/2023 18:14

That was fucking brutal. 39 started and only 17 finished

I honestly can’t believe what I saw!

This is all due to rich people wanting more money.

newyorky09 · 15/04/2023 18:19

I can’t understand why the whip is still used especially when it’s been banned in some other countries including Norway, Sweden and Denmark. Continuing to use it seems so barbaric.

PinkLemonadee · 15/04/2023 18:19

twistyizzy · 15/04/2023 18:15

Or no horses running! So you support racing but acknowledge that it is not good for the horses involved (fewer horses should run). Could you please explain why exactly you support racing apart from the fact it provides jobs? From a horse welfare point of view how is it acceptable?
I am really genuinely interested in how someone who supports racing justifies the cruelty to the animals involved. If I could understand the rationale for keeping racing going from the horse's point of view. Thanks 😊

The vast majority of them come home safe. It provides thousands of jobs and the racing industry is a bih stick to get legislation through that benefits the horse world in general. It could be improved - of course it could!

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brooksidebackside · 15/04/2023 18:20

Isiteveningyet · 15/04/2023 18:14

That was fucking brutal. 39 started and only 17 finished

Have you got a breakdown of why the horses didn't finish?

Not all reasons will be fucking brutal

QuestionableMouse · 15/04/2023 18:21

Well Nick Luck just confirmed that Hill Sixteen died at the first.

SirChenjins · 15/04/2023 18:21

Florenz · 15/04/2023 18:14

There's a lot more people who watch, bet on and enjoy horse racing than there were who did Fox hunting.

And? Attitudes change and this one is now under the spotlight. It probably won’t be banned any time soon, but changes are definitely coming and that’s as a direct result of or protests, public opinion changing and serious questions being asked about the ‘sport’.

SwedishEdith · 15/04/2023 18:22

Isiteveningyet · 15/04/2023 18:14

That was fucking brutal. 39 started and only 17 finished

The average number of finishers is 18 so not that much difference considering the upset at the start.
https://www.britishracecourses.org/grand-national-facts/

twistyizzy · 15/04/2023 18:22

PinkLemonadee · 15/04/2023 18:19

The vast majority of them come home safe. It provides thousands of jobs and the racing industry is a bih stick to get legislation through that benefits the horse world in general. It could be improved - of course it could!

Please can you expand on what legislation has been brought in that benefits horses outside of racing?
Do you ignore the psychological and physical damage done to racehorses along with the live export of unwanted racehorses? Or are these just acceptable consequences of making money?
I'm sorry but as a horse lover and horse owner I just can't separate those elements in my head and I honestly can't comprehend how anyone can.

DrPrunesqualler · 15/04/2023 18:23

With 15 horse deaths due to the grand National since 2000 and a total of 88 since it began
Its time this stopped.

Rosula · 15/04/2023 18:23

Florenz · 15/04/2023 17:27

Why don't the people who hate horse racing just not watch it, attend it or bet on it?

You might as well ask why people who hate dog fighting or bull fighting or cock-baiting or fox hunting "just don't watch, attend or bet on them". I hate cruelty to children, is it OK just so long as I'm not watching it happening?

Prescottdanni123 · 15/04/2023 18:23

@Americano75

The protestors were making a stand for a worthy cause but their actions were dangerous. The horses would have been made very stressed by the delays and yes, that could have contributed to the falls. Again, they could have caused horses to be injured or even killed if they had just ran out onto the track mid race. I campaign for animal rights, but you are shooting yourself in the foot if you put people and animals in danger in the process, and people are far less likely to take you seriously.

Florenz · 15/04/2023 18:23

SirChenjins · 15/04/2023 18:21

And? Attitudes change and this one is now under the spotlight. It probably won’t be banned any time soon, but changes are definitely coming and that’s as a direct result of or protests, public opinion changing and serious questions being asked about the ‘sport’.

I think horse racing is becoming more popular, not less popular. It's just the usual miserable people who are unhappy with life that don't like it. If horse racing was banned, they'd still be miserable and protesting against something else.

coffeecupsandwaxmelts · 15/04/2023 18:23

twistyizzy · 15/04/2023 17:24

Anyone saying that racehorses are well looked after, they may be but they aren't treated like horses!! 90% of racehorses have ulcers due to lack of turnout, too little forage etc.
Major skeletal issues (kissing spines etc) due to to being backed so young.
Nothing about racing is to the benefit of the horses, I say this as someone with 30 yrs of having ex-racers.
Yes they are loved by the lads and lasses looking after them but this doesn't make up for the highly unnatural way they are kept which can cause major physical and psychological issues.

I totally agree with you and I find it interesting that so many people have conveniently ignored this point.

Horses need turn-out. They need to graze and run in the fields and live naturally but race-horses never get that chance - it's so sad.

I ride and care for horses and the happiest ones by far are the ones who get to live as naturally as possible - which generally means living out, with rugs in bad weather, and being able to just "be horses".

ThankmelaterOkay · 15/04/2023 18:23

QuestionableMouse · 15/04/2023 18:21

Well Nick Luck just confirmed that Hill Sixteen died at the first.

If that doesn’t make your stomach turn…

Chchchchchangesss · 15/04/2023 18:23

PussBilledDuckyPlait · 15/04/2023 17:15

Quite. Race horses are very well looked after - why don't they protest against animals who really are ill-treated?

What do you think happens to the horses that don't make the grade, or geldings after their career is over? A few might get rehomed. Most of them do not have a happy ending.

TheFireflies · 15/04/2023 18:25

Radi0noise · 15/04/2023 17:48

Did you see how much whipping went in towards the end 😞 oh but they love it

Strict whip rules. Horses aren’t “thrashed” and the whips are foam padded, I’ve been hit with one, they don’t hurt. You often see jockeys waving whips and to the untrained eye it might look like horses are being hit, they aren’t.

Whips are a necessity in some circumstances, for steering.

Instructionmanual · 15/04/2023 18:26

I've been involved with horses all my life. My partner and I have 6 at the current time, two we bred ourselves.

What's wrong with racing?
Horses don't fully mature physically until they are 5, ideally 6 years old. (If you want a reference for that Google Dr Deb Bennett Ranger article). Racehorses are broken (I use the word advisedly) as two year olds. In fact, because their "official birthdays" are January 1st they can be younger than that. At that age the growth plates in their skeleton have not closed up. Physically they are not mature. We know not to over-exercise puppies, but it's OK with baby racehorses. They are so young they don't even have full tails.
Horses are naturally herd animals, needing physical company and contact with others, freedom to run and forage. Racehorses spend most, if not all of their day shut in the stable. Yes, by human terms they are treated like royalty - fed the best, washed and polished, given the right rugs and lovely bedding. By horse terms that's cruelty. Many respond by developing stable "vices" (in the zoos they call it zoochosis, but it a stable it's OK). They sway, lock their teeth on hard surfaces and gulp, they box walk... you get the picture. Often V shaped grills are put up at their doors to stop them swaying from foot to foot in the doorway (it's called weaving). Others are said to love their stables because they spend a lot of time sleeping or just standing - that's not love, that's shutdown. I've worked with a lot of ex racers, they all, literally all, had some sort of gut problems because of the stable stress and probably lack of movement and natural foraging. That means hind gut issues or ulcers. At the age of two maybe.
There is massive wastage in the racing industry. Just Google it for yourself. Wastage means dead horses, which can be before they even start training.
I heard someone on the radio saying the horse must love it or they wouldn't do it. That's bollocks, they do it because they've been trained to do it and are being pushed along by the jockey.
Someone else said they love it because if they lose their jockey they keep galloping and jumping. Racehorses in a race are operating in a state of high tension. When horses are stressed and adrenalin filled they crave the safety of the herd. So of course they keep running and jumping, they need to stay with the others. This is why we have seen racehorses desperately carrying on with a broken leg.
Of course the people who own and look after these animals love them. But if you truly love an animal then ignorance is no excuse for treating them like this. I often think that if horses vocalised in the same way that dogs do they wouldn't be subjected to half the crap that they are.
What happens when a racehorse retires? If they are lucky they end up being re-trained for regular riding and with a kind owner. Their dodgy guts are medicated. Their crap hooves are looked after properly and recover from their early shoeing and long periods stabled.
For others the picture is not so rosy. Even the Queen couldn't give a stuff about what happened to her horses after racing, unless they were being bred of course. It's know that one of her National winners was found abandoned in field in a sorry state. Another was discovered going through a French race followed by auction. That means the fast ones go on to keep racing, the others go for meat.
I do not agree with what the protesters did, but honestly something needs to be done to raise the standards of how horses are expected to be kept and used. Raising the age racehorses are allowed to race to maybe 4 years old would be a start. But their owners won't want to pay for their keep for that long.

Anyway, I'm not going to argue the toss about this. I know the next thing will be people piling in to say I don't know what I'm talking about, but I do. I did grunt work at a racing stable as a youngster, and thought it was wonderful. Education is a great thing and changed my view completely. Because I'm not going to argue about it, this will be another name change I guess. 😂

Buildingthefuture · 15/04/2023 18:26

@PinkLemonadee the “vast majority” come home safe??? Would YOU do a job where only the “vast majority” come home safe? No, I’m sure you wouldn’t and these horses aren’t given a choice. No excuse for this shit!!!!!

DrPrunesqualler · 15/04/2023 18:26

ThankmelaterOkay · 15/04/2023 18:23

If that doesn’t make your stomach turn…

That makes 16 deaths since 2000 and 89 since it began
Cant believe I’ve had to revise the figure and add another.
What an absolute horrific thing for people to support.
Sick