My payslip as a doctor in Feb 2021 during COVID

[Juniordoc]

See attached image. Yes this is for full-time work with weekends and nights in the currently stretched working conditions that the NHS provides.

This does not include the expenses and sacrifices of a six year medical degree. On top of that, we have to pay out of pocket for our own GMC membership, medical defence union, postgrad exams and revision courses, conferences and courses.

Please get behind us and support the strikes. We are burnout, exhausted and struggling to live

'They are left alone to practice overnight. They save lives and make life or death decisions.'

They are not left to make life or death decisions they have a senior supervising even if for phone consultation. I've known junior doctors who are on par with junior nurses skills wise. The salary at that stage reflects their ability.

I have to agree with these comments.

I'm in Ireland. I've family members who are GPs & hospital consultants. It's a long hard career path - with many challenges including those who don't make it to the consultant pathway (in Ireland at least there's basically no career path for NCHDs). The pay, looking at what is posted here, is better in Ireland, including for interns & SPRs (analogous to FI / F2).

However, the potential earnings are highly significant.

You are part of a trainee programme at this point. That does not negate the level of responsibility you may have to assume.

I recognise I'm an outsider - but in my view, it less about salaries, and far more about the system & infrastructure - which seems even worse than Ireland. (Ireland is bad).

What tired rhetoric. Show me a poor doctor with some years experience. Most of the GP's have gone part-time.

You will be on about 40k now or so OP. Not all doctors make consultant level many stay at speciality doctor which is fine. It's not huge amounts of pay my DH is paid 125k working WFH 9-5 long lunch breaks and it's low stress. The pay is shocking for medical staff in the UK considering how many years they do training. No wonder many are choosing private work instead.

Fully support you !! I am a nurse working in the NHS so I know what it's like. I work closely with doctors every shift and we also have an emergency on call rota in the role I'm in. It's hard for people to know how bad conditions are if they've not worked within the NHS.

100% behind the strikes.
I’m a nurse, moved up into job roles away from wards now but I will never forget how much FY1’s & 2’s do/ did when I was junior. Thank you , u know it’s more than about the money, keep going.

If they are still just trainees then the consultants who earn more need to stay by their side day and night.

That's not how it works!

Unless they are a bit dim, I doubt anyone thinks this!

They aren't poor but it's the length and dedication of training. Some people never make consultant level Medical students are some of the most intelligent people so will want a good lifestyle , they might decide to go into another profession. You can earn lots more in financial services.

Actually a window cleaner with their own round can earn that, it costs £32 to have my windows cleaned and he is here 20 minutes.
I dont begrudge paying, they do a good job, but to suggest that £14 per hour is a fair amount for a Dr is outrageous.

Oh boo hoo! Stop whining!You chose to be a doctor, I bet there are plenty more that would have taken you place. Do you realise there will be a lot of people on minimum wage paying for your training

And where is the money coming from?

Fully support you OP

and this is why we cant recruit into medicine because it is the brightest in the country who can apply and now realise no one cares so choose other career paths. So you can all get hung up on post grad stuff but fail to realise that doctors have to train for around 12 yrs before they become consultants and it is six years of medicine before even starting the process to becoming a consultant. It is not the same as doing a 3 yr degree and doing a post grad course...Muppets-- you can either have the brightest looking after your health or not. If you continue to belittle the profession then it is no wonder recruitment is at its lowest

100% behind you.
I honestly find the ignorance and callousness of some of the other posters on here almost as upsetting as the appalling way that those in your profession are treated. Our country is unbelievably fucked. 😞

Absolutely in your corner. Worked in the NHS for 14 years, and was eventually forced out by how poor the pay was. Now earning quite a bit more than that, sitting in an office at a software company. You guys deserve so much more.

You really believe people on minimum wages paid for her training? 🤯

Re: solicitor comparison above - very few solicitors pay out of pocket for their own training and exams.

Plus law salaries are usually in the 100K range latest by the 3rd year after graduating, and remember law is a (less expensive) 3 year degree. So that's 6 years to 100+ K. Including uni, it takes at the very least (often more) 14 years to get to 100K consultant pay as a doctor.

With the shitty overstretched conditions of the NHS / nature of the job, I'm honestly not sure if the pay per hour is worth it. Surely as a fairly bright university go-er, you could get to 100K within 14 years in many other less awful careers.

There won't be, you need the brightest to apply for medicine and keep going with the training. The brightest might decide to become an actuary on lots more pay and less stress. We need doctors and health care professionals they are the most important professions.

Full time GP isn’t sustainable if you want safe and competent doctors. That’s why GPs go part time.
DOI: part time GP working 40 hours over 3 days

Those members of my wider family who have law degrees are paid far more than junior doctors, as are the management consultants and accountants. Some are paid more than NHS consultants and they got there years earlier. None of those work Christmas Day or New Years Eve either - but it's a very lucky junior doctor who doesnt work one or both. Few have to study for exams in their own time and none at their own expense. When they work late they get meal allowances, some have help with childcare.

We dont pay junior doctors enough to keep them and there are not enough training posts for them either. So they locum, costing the NHS far more than they would cost in training posts. Or they leave for a country that values them more and pays them better.

Of course pay restoration would reduce the numbers leaving the profession and therefore improve working conditions and its the only thing that would do so quickly.

Pay restoration is not going to happen this year but what could happen is a pay rise in excess of inflation and a firm commitment to increases above inflation for say, the next two years. If the government started talking then a sensible compromise could be reached - but they wont talk.

I support junior doctors. I dont support a government who waste money who waste money on contracts for their mates that should have gone to fund higher pay.

Student loan is calculated before tax, not gross.

I think you deserve the 35% myself.

Unfortunately, as demonstrated on this friend many people lack appreciation of the job you do.

They will clearly be happy when they are faced with the future of AI Dr consultations, especially when they're demanding antibiotics / unnecessary tests and being refused by something that won't care when you swear at it.