My payslip as a doctor in Feb 2021 during COVID

[Juniordoc]

See attached image. Yes this is for full-time work with weekends and nights in the currently stretched working conditions that the NHS provides.

This does not include the expenses and sacrifices of a six year medical degree. On top of that, we have to pay out of pocket for our own GMC membership, medical defence union, postgrad exams and revision courses, conferences and courses.

Please get behind us and support the strikes. We are burnout, exhausted and struggling to live

Totally agree with this. We are all so lucky that there are people out there that are willing to chose medicine as a career. NOTHING compares to making life and death decisions, the responsibility and the stress that comes with that.... I feel gutted that people in this country believe that junior drs are treated and paid fairly. What will they do when they all jack it in?

With outreach teams and nurse practitioners assisting. With senior doctors at the end of a phone and Consultants with overall responsibility. I would suggest ot is more likely HCAs and junior nurses on actual poor salaries doing all the running to the lab and holding dying patients hands.

It is a perfectly adequate starting salary. Show me it again in a few years when you're a consultant doing a bit of private work here and there too.

When window cleaners and dog walkers earn more than Doctors it's a sign that our country is really fucked up.

OP is a trainee. This is a stepping stone into a very lucrative profession that he/she has worked hard towards. Respect for that even if I don’t support the strikes.
The window cleaner will never be given the opportunity to earn £100k + per annum. Never.
Apples and oranges.
And the pension IS fantastic.

This is straight out of university, in line with many other very responsible positions, they also have university debt (admittedly 3 or 4 years typically). What is more relevant is pay after 5 or 10 years, 15 years... yes many of us worked during covid, I was dealing with people dying myself.

My dd is earning £29k in a similarly responsible job, far too outing but its similar in how crucial it is

This!

I support you all. Your well-being and professional satisfaction is vital to the NHS. If we don’t value and support ‘Junior doctors’ now we will continue to lose them to better opportunities overseas.

A trainee? They've already spent twice as long in uni than the normal 3 (maybe 4) years.

They are left alone to practice overnight.

They save lives and make life or death decisions.

If they are still just trainees then the consultants who earn more need to stay by their side day and night.

Please see the pay progression post posted earlier on the thread with the screenshot. There really is no big bucks. This is all peoples misconceptions from what they hear about in the media

The biggest problem for the doctors on strike is their title...'Junior Doctor' conjures up an image of a young inexperienced just qualified person hiding behind a clipboard!!

Junior Doctors are fully qualified professionals who basically are left in charge of the hospital and the patients when the consultants go home for the day .... and weekends....

They deserve much more respect than they get, not to mention the pay rise they are asking for.

The public need to recognise that we are losing so much talent and experience because we are not valuing it enough.

Ultimately we are going to lose our NHS... dont think the government are going to concern themselves... they all have private health care lined up.

I think some people believe that a “trainee” doctor is equivalent to a “trainee” anything else, whose duties consist of fetching, carrying and possibly sweeping the floor or being allowed to have a go on the spreadsheet.

@Juniordoc please feel free to share your most recent salary slip. I am not a doctor and will not imagine your working conditions are anything other than awful, but please don't show me a 2 yr old fy1 salary slip to garner support unless you will present the full picture and acknowledge that you can retire at 55 with an excellent pension package.

Sorry, I want to support you so please be honest and factual with all the information.

I stand corrected.

They still make me sick though

100% support you, I honestly don’t understand how you live with the pressure, it’s no wonder that doctors are leaving in droves. Stand your ground and know your worth.

Sure they could if they went to university, got in mountains of debt, sacrificed time with their loved ones, got rotated round the country every 6 months- they could also train to be a doctor and recieve the fantastic (!) pension.

Most of the OP's and supporting posts comfortably disprove that tired rhetoric.

It's unacceptable @Juniordoc

If you're an academic researcher in a medical field you start out on 34-38k.

It's a comparable amount of training (3 years undergrad, 4 years PhD) and whilst demanding, far less so than being a clinician.

OP has already answered this.

I don't agree with newly qualified junior doctors asking for a 35% pay rise

You have to earn £25k before you get student loan deductions. The gross pay on this payslip says £20,542

I absolutely support the strikes, thank you so much for all that you do.

I support the strikes.

If we dint support the junior doctors we won't have senior doctors or consultants. It's easier to get the money elsewhere pay them a decent wage

Saw this on FB

Unless they die before they cash in their pension…. A situation nhs workers see in real life daily!
have you seen the suicide rate of medics? The stress related health issues they encounter? It’s so clear reading these posts who has the slightest idea of what it’s like working in the nhs and those who believe all they read.

Is that £1895? I can't enlarge the picture on my phone. Thats shocking, I get a lot more than that for my 10-6, m-f, no pressure admin job.

I don't understand the people on here saying it's good for a trainee or at this stage in her career. It's pathetic considering the demands and responsibilities of the role, the amount of education and training they have already had and the amount of money they still have to pay this money to keep on training. The country needs doctors!!! The NHS is at crisis point, so clearly it is not good enough. The government are failing everyone of us by continually starving public services of necessary funds.

OP, back you and your colleagues and hope you get the pay you deserve.