My payslip as a doctor in Feb 2021 during COVID

[Juniordoc]

See attached image. Yes this is for full-time work with weekends and nights in the currently stretched working conditions that the NHS provides.

This does not include the expenses and sacrifices of a six year medical degree. On top of that, we have to pay out of pocket for our own GMC membership, medical defence union, postgrad exams and revision courses, conferences and courses.

Please get behind us and support the strikes. We are burnout, exhausted and struggling to live

I do feel a 35% increase is excessive

It isn't an increase though - it's literally just a pay restoration to make up what they have lots in cuts in the past decade @Chickenleggs

See the graphic posted a couple of pages back - doctors salaries have dropped the most compared to other professions (closely followed by university staff)

If you put it that way they're always restorations. And no one gets one that big. It would not retain the doctors... This is not the answer.

What do you mean? Some salaries have risen in line with inflation, others haven't. Junior doctors are some of the worst impacted with 35% cuts.

It would be really helpful, though, if the OP could post her current salary, a couple of years on from this pay slip. In the first year that I practised as a barrister in the 1990s, I earns £6,000. It had taken five years of training. It got better.

Earnt

Earned.

You just need to look at the graphic a couple of pages back and you will see how it goes up.

Let’s see it clearly exemplified in a payslip, then.

You don’t need to. Just look at the bloody chart.

The salary cuts have been documented clearly on the thread and elsewhere

There are numerous junior doctors payslips being shared from 2023 if you want proof.

As has been said numerous times - you might not think that the salary is a problem, but this is irrelevant given conditions are no longer good enough to retain staff and they're leaving in droves.

There does seem to be a general theme on the thread that doctors aren't necessary and will be replaced with "AI and tech", so it's all fine and dandy though.

Ok; I can see the chart. Maybe the reasonably generous increases didn’t come to fruition for the OP, or maybe a good opportunity came her way and she was paid more. It wasn’t so hard to post the first pay slip. What's the problem with posting another?

I have no idea how you can look at the graphic which demonstrates plummeting salaries for junior doctors over time when compared with other professions declare them "reasonably generous increases"

I have no idea why you're focussed on OPs recent payslip when this is about an entire profession striking - as has been said you can see loads posted online from other junior doctors in 2023 if you do not believe it

@Macaronichee

Here’s my payslip as a first year doctor in 2005, next to a first year doctor colleague’s in 2023. 18 years later, their take home salary is less than mine was. I lived for free in hospital accommodation and had a fraction of their student loan.

https://twitter.com/KatParmar/status/1635573468157575168?lang=en

I do have sympathy with regards to the conditions. I haven’t seen threads from other doctors about their pay. This particular doctor is complaining about wages but is not posting a current wage slip. I suspect that every doctor does not earn what is specified on the pay scales. This particular doctor is looking for sympathy for their pay by posting a pay slip. I was wondering if she is still on a wage which would not seem to reflect the value of her training.

You’ve completely missed the point. It’s not about this particular doctor as an individual, the payslip has been used for illustrative purposes to show the pay of an entire profession. That Tweet linked by @pinkred is truly shocking.

@Macaronichee THIS is a great illustration of what this thread is about. The pay of newly qualified junior doctors now compared to 18 years ago. Do you think that is fair?

Naturally posters are interested to see how the picture changes for this representative of an entire profession (quite a lot hanging on it) over a two year period and it's quite confusing that, having been invited to scrutinise an out of date pay slip, we aren't being given the whole story about what changes over time for this representative of the medical profession. One wonders why...

@herlightmaterials what is the big deal - just look at the published pay scales. They are fixed and will tell you everything you need to know about how pay progresses. You are missing the point and deflecting from the point of the thread. Do you think it is fair that F1 pay has not got up at all in eighteen years?

Exactly! In fairness to the OP, maybe they haven’t seen the replies and they are going to post a new payslip.

inews has some useful tips for junior doctors

No need to pander to disingenuous posts from people who believe they'll never need treatment or are happy to have only 74% of their operations done since that's all they're prepared to pay for.

That article’s brilliant @maryso. Thanks for the link.

There's no way it can't be about pitching groups about each other. If Doctors get a pay rise, everyone else has to pay for it.

They were probably overpaid in 2008. Plus a lot of people are earning less now than in 2008. The world has changed a lot in 15 years.

The payslip doesn't have any student loan deductions. Graduates start their loan repayments the April after they graduate.

I'm not sure what is more depressing on this thread - the way junior doctors are being treated or the bitter and twisted, envious and downright ridiculous comments. Well done, you and your ilk are getting the NHS you truly deserve. Sadly the rest of us will have to suffer the same one.

I think the Gov needs to stop paying such high amounts into pensions. Pensions are rarely mentioned as a massive perk. They need to get on par with the private sector. Instead of paying the 20-30% into pensions, pay it into salaries - give Gov employees the choice of adding to their pension or taking the salary. The choice is always worth more. Along with the release of pension contributions add a 10% rise to salaries. Then they need to sort out the working conditions - pay professional fees for training, exams and car parking.
Just a starter for 10.

Doctors are leaving because they are “worth” more than they are paid. They can get more in pharma, private practice and abroad. Maybe they wouldn’t be leaving in such large numbers if the conditions weren’t so dreadful.