My payslip as a doctor in Feb 2021 during COVID

[Juniordoc]

See attached image. Yes this is for full-time work with weekends and nights in the currently stretched working conditions that the NHS provides.

This does not include the expenses and sacrifices of a six year medical degree. On top of that, we have to pay out of pocket for our own GMC membership, medical defence union, postgrad exams and revision courses, conferences and courses.

Please get behind us and support the strikes. We are burnout, exhausted and struggling to live

But as an F1 you are straight out of uni? So your first year? That’s not a bad salary for first year employment and it’ll increase every year from now. Do you not have student loan deducted?

How much do you earn now?

For a 40 hour week?? That's beyond belief

You can't be serious?

Hi there respect your opinion. After 6 year degree we are fully qualified doctors. Often the only ones being staffed to look after unwell patients on multiple wards. The job comes with high stress involving human life and lots of hours including nights and weekends. Currently there is no training and learning in the NHS. It is so stretched it's all about providing care and service provision.

We also have to pay out of pocket for our registration and expensive exams.

I would have to respectfully disagree with your comment about a trainee solicitor.

The general public seems to think doctors later go on to make big bucks. I cannot state how wrong this perception is. Most doctors do not earn that much even after getting to a consultant job which is a long road.

It is ridiculous for someone who has to take responsibility for people's lives. Not to mention the long shifts, nights etc. I fully support the junior doctors and in fact all those striking for decent pay and conditions.

Fully support the strikes. I hope they achieve something for you all OP.

40 hours is a normal working week though? I agree f1’s work hard but a 40 hour week is quite normal for most professions ( just ask teachers!)

Be interesting to compare a f1 wage slip to junior doc salary after 3/4 years doing a few over time / locum shifts.

100% support. Thank you for all you have done and do.

I totally support your strikes and your case. I hope you'll be supporting everyone else's too. Because what you are paid is appalling. But many "served" during covid too, and are paid just as badly or worse. Nobody is "owed" a decent wage because they did their job. Everyone is owed a decent wage because its the right thing.

Hi there, this is a misconception. The NHS is just afloat right now from goodwill. We all work way more hours unpaid. We can't just leave our shifts when the time is up. We often have to stay on the ward and sort out urgent matters.

When you are operating in theatres, the day often finishes late. It's unpredictable. All those hours are unpaid. Lots of them.

You frequently have to rotate and provide service in different hospitals having to uproot your lives, family and friends in the process everytime. It is honestly soul crushing. Just shadow a doctor for one day or for one Nightshift and you would understand how difficult the conditions are.

On an on-call shift for 12 and a half hours, I won't have time to go to the toilet or get anything to eat. And I promise I am whole heartedly telling the truth here. We need to be there for our patients. But we also are humans and have our own families and have lives to live and have to pay the bills

That’s absolutely shocking. I take home more than that as a self employed personal trainer, the easiest job I’ve ever had. 100% backing you

It would be interesting to see your payslip for Feb 2023. How much has your pay increased since then?

I don't doubt you work hard, in terrible conditions, but posting your salary from 2 years ago isn't really relevant.

What do you earn now? It’s 2023 so two years later than the one you have picked to show us from Feb 21. Can you show us your Feb 2023 payslip so we can compare between an f1 and the same doctor 2 years later. They would be an interesting comparison

Thank you, Op.

I don’t think you understand what an F1 doctor does. They aren’t training as in following a senior doctor around for 40 hours a week.

I fully support the strikes @Juniordoc , I hope the government realise what they need to do

I'm amazed that people think this is an acceptable wage as it includes nights and weekends.

This is not a usual grad job with fixed hours. One of my DC in a civil service job fresh out of uni takes home more than this !

A junior Dr will be expected to stay until whatever crisis has been dealt with. They don't swan out the door at 5pm each night and they certainly don't work from home. Although they are also expected to continue to study in their own time.

They deserve a start pay of around 40k.

Yes, I would be willing to pay more tax and NI.

I'm appalled at how undervalued medics are in this country.

Is this payslip for a week, fortnight, month?

Also, you get charges for car parking deducted from your pay? Ouch!

But if the person in question hadn't trained to be a doctor, they could have left uni after 3 years, spent 3 years earning about the same money as they are in that wage slip as a trainee accountant, and then qualified as an accountant, already be on circa £50k, with a wage ceiling higher than any doctor is earning if they reach the huge echelons of earning, and wouldn't have to work weekends or night shifts.

The alternative doctors have isn't earning minimum wage, so it has to be an attractive enough prospect that the best/brightest/most patient centered people think it's a great career and then actually go and do it and then stay in that career.

I support the strike (but I do think 35% in one go is hopeless). I think the difficulty with this (and the teachers strike, and the nurses strike) is that I don't think most of these staff members actually really want the pay rise being requested..what they want is e.g. an inflationary pay rise and 10-15% more staff. Which isnt easily resolved. The crisis in NHS staffing has been a long time coming. The government could have started making changes a decade ago. They definitely could have 5+ years ago - and then we might be in a different position from now. But it's too late to start training new doctors now, as the relief won't even begin for 5 more years.

Take home now after 3 years of graduation is £2700, that's excluding student debt.

Work a lot more hours and lots more unpaid hours and lots more responsibility.

Have to pay out of pocket for £1600 exam, paid £160 for GMC membership, £260 for surgical portfolio which is compulsory.

Have to change hospital every 6 months which can be far away often in another city. Have to always pay out of pocket for relocation expenses.

I support you and your colleagues wholeheartedly. I am so sorry you've been so badly let down by this shitshow of a government.

If you read the payslip it's clearly on there. Hourly rate of £13.54 with the hours to the left of it.

It is shocking...none of my team earn so little for a 40 hour week.

Dr's go through a highly selective process to start their training so only the brightest get selected. Then we treat them badly.

Conversely the selection for MPs is much less strenuous (more about networking) yet we insist they must be paid 85k plus expenses to get good people.

The government can do something about working conditions. Free food, free car parking or travel to work. Something has to be done to support our Dr's

I support you!

It’s ridiculous how low the pay is for junior NHS doctors and dentists, when compared to lawyers and people working in finance.